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212 Division at the Arnold Classic Killed? (article)

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212 Division at the Arnold Classic Killed?
Matt Weik, December 31, 2018

If memory serves me correct, the Arnold Classic was built off of BODYBUILDING, no? I’m at a complete loss as to what is going on with the Arnold Classic lately. First, they get rid of women’s bodybuilding and now the 212 Division? WTF? The 212 Division, in my opinion, was one of the more exciting divisions up on the stage other than Men’s Open. At the time of writing this I have yet to hear a reason why this division has been let out of the 2019 Arnold Classic but by looking around on social media, there are several people in the industry who are pretty upset about the move.

What Direction Are Things Going?
I’m at a total loss as to why out of all the divisions (both men and women), the 212 Division gets pushed out. In the grand scheme of things, it’s not like there are a ton of 212 competitors that it would be dragging out the show and filling a time slot for something more popular. I mean, let’s be honest, there are other divisions that, again, in my opinion, need to be better managed and cut down on the number of competitors. Let’s take a peek at what I mean according to the 2019 Arnold Classic invite list.

• Men’s Open has 12 competitors
• Classic Physique has 19 competitors
• Men’s Physique has 35 competitors
• Fitness International has 12 competitors
• Figure International has 14 competitors
• Women’s Physique has 24 competitors
• Bikini has 20 competitors
• Pro Wheelchair has 7 competitors

Do you see a problem with the above? I’ve said it a million times over the years… Men’s Open is the big dog. It’s because of Men’s Bodybuilding that we even have an Arnold Classic show – which has grown throughout the world. Men’s Bodybuilding is what puts butts in seats – period. I don’t care what anyone one says… I don’t care what any competitor says. Men’s Bodybuilding is the freak show that everyone wants to pay to go see. Other divisions, well, you can thank friends and family for buying tickets to show their support.

The 212 Division has always had big names and big dudes. It was basically the “side show” of the main event. And one that many people enjoyed.

Here Are My Thoughts
The 212 Division wasn’t slowing down the events by any stretch of the imagination. So, you can keep that excuse off the table. But while we are talking about slowing down the show, here are some questions I have.

1. Do we really need 35 Men’s Physique competitors? This is out of control. Why not just let anyone off the street go up and compete if you’re going to have that many competitors?

2. Do we need 19 Classic Physique competitors? I can see maybe upwards of the top 15 but no more needing to be there.

3. Do we need 24 Women’s Physique competitors? I understand that this is pretty much taking the place of Women’s Bodybuilding at the Arnold Classic but 24 seems obsessive for the division. Cut it down to the top 15 in my opinion.

4. Do we need 20 Bikini competitors? To be honest, sure, they look good in a bikini, but at the end of the day ticket sales aren’t due to their physiques. Cut it down to under 15 competitors.

If you did the above, you would have MORE than enough time to make sure the 212 Division was properly represented at the 2019 Arnold Classic. Look, I get it… Flex Lewis is no longer competing in the 212 Division, but he never showed up to the Arnold Classic lately anyway. Jose Raymond hung up his trunks and retired, so he wouldn’t be back in the line-up. There are many variables I’m sure that come into play with the future of the 212 Division. But the bottom line is that the depth of the division is still there and to not have it at the Arnold Classic seems truly odd to me.

The Arnold Classic is no random city show that anyone should be able to hop on stage and compete at. I understand there is an “invite list” but it’s still ridiculous the number of competitors in many of those divisions. The Arnold Classic is the number two show, coming in right behind the Mr. Olympia. Having 20+ competitors in some of these divisions makes no sense.

Heck, because of the 212 Division removal, it has Charles Dixon moving up to the Open just to compete (which he was a dang good 212 competitor). Could this removal be the end of the 212 in general? Will the move now be to either step up to the Open or down to Classic? I guess we have to wait and hear from someone in the IFBB as to a reason for the change at the 2019 Arnold Classic.

It just makes no sense why Arnold and Jim Lorimer would kill off such as respected division. What are your thoughts on this? Do you care that the 212 Division is no longer part of the Arnold Classic or are you just as upset as many of us?


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Jul 6, 2011
Great Wide Open
That is too bad. Hopefully we get a reason why and hopefully this doesn't also get removed from the Olympia. I liked seeing the predominantly shorter guys have a place to compete and show off the freaky goods.
Jul 6, 2014
Hamilton, Ontario
That's unfortunate. I wouldn't be surprised if the writer is correct when they say that the classic division may have played a role in the removal of the 212. You get the big freaky open guys and then the more relateable(in my opinion) classic guys. I remember there was controversy when the 202 became the 212 but i thought it was a good move that didn't drastically alter who was in the lineup or the type of physique being showcased but i cant see classic properly filling the 212 void.
May 9, 2018
southern ontario
So now the 212s are going to have compete and get bigger n more ripped in the open class??or drop down to a lower class? The 212s was a interesting class in itself!! That to bad!!
Aug 19, 2018
I find it amazing the shear size that the pro open guys can obtain and carry on stage. Everyone enjoys watching just a pure freak of nature and envy how he looks.
But for me, bodybuilding isn’t the most mass humanly possible like we are seeing now. For me it’s the classic look that reg park , Arnold , Larry Scott, frank zane that screams bodybuilding. So I love the classic category and next would be the 212.

Sad to see this category go. As I think there still is that difference between 212 and classic. And classic shouldn’t consume these guys. Nor should they have to get bigger and bump up to open.
Interesting to see what happens


Nov 14, 2012
This is why I stopped going to the Arnold. It used to be the best bodybuilding event and Expo to attend bar none. Was like a bodybuilders christmas attending every year. Then every other sport started creeping in and it became a "Sports Festival" and bodybuilding booths and companies were downsized and pushed out of the expo hall and the attendees were more general public people. I miss the good old days there.


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Nov 16, 2013
Alarmist 'article', doesn't seem like the author sought comment from the promoter(s) about what's potentially a misprint or oversight