What's new

Beyond meat

EastCoast'er

Super Heavyweight
Joined
Aug 19, 2018
Messages
371
Likes Received
476
https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/beyond-meat-burger-beef-health-risks-1.5220777

What’s your guys opinion on this ?

I know for me, I would never ever be a vegetarian. Plant base foods don’t interest me in the slightest. I have a very biased opinion on this for sure. But I’m interested in hearing from others.

And having an open mind I still see this as a highly processed food, how can one argue it healthier then red meat ??
 

Deetermined

Super Heavyweight
Joined
Jul 21, 2018
Messages
464
Likes Received
286
Location
Quebec
I would never ever be a vegetarian. Plant base foods don’t interest me in the slightest.
I agree with you completely as I cant imagine eating this above an actual steak / burger etc, but I think its put out there for all the hipster fade followers. To each their own but definitely not for me.
 

~Dr Juice~

Administrator
Joined
Jan 1, 1999
Messages
5,669
Likes Received
4,583
Location
Victoria B.C.
-- I've tried the 'Beyond Burger' at A&W and it was pretty good. No real complaints. However, you can tell you're eating something that's quite not meat. If I was blindfolded and tried both I'm pretty confident I could pick out the real deal each and every time. I just don't think they'll ever be able to replicate the greasy, fatty flavor of an actual beef patty. Saying all that, this is the way of the future and apparently by 2050 virtually all meat products will be either lab grown or be plant based. Enjoy your juicy steaks now Monsters ;)
 

CurtisP

Unofficial Porn Section Moderator
Joined
Apr 20, 2019
Messages
1,798
Likes Received
3,442
According to the radio this morning - I think it was Harvey’s in the states will issue you a code to scan and you can guess if you had real meat or beyond meat...
 

Mnemonic

Super Heavyweight
Joined
Jul 20, 2015
Messages
1,991
Likes Received
1,723
Location
Ontario
I don't get it. I just don't.

Isn't the purpose of becoming vegan or vegetarian to get away from animal products and unhealthy fast food?
So why the fuck are you trying to eat a god damn burger? Here's your vegetables, soaked in a binding agent and 3 tablespoons of oil to make it edible. Every time I've compared it to an equivalent, traditional burger, it's higher in calories, less protein and more fat. Why? They already use like 70/30 or 80/20 beef... WTF is in this plant burger?

Logical.

Or is all this bullshit catered to the people who can't eat meat because they have some sort of emotional bond with the cattle that was bred raised to be food? Yet still have the desire to be lazy and obese?
 

asashouryu

Unofficial Porn Section Moderator
Joined
Sep 19, 2018
Messages
1,978
Likes Received
3,566
Location
Calgary, AB
It's actually higher total fat than a regular burger, and sodium is about on par.
BUT it's highly processed "pea" protein with soy binders etc. (not great for males, as soy encourages/aromatizes to estrogen quite readily)
Tastes like mushrooms to me.
Not my fav. Honestly - just tasted like a dry "ho-hum" everyday crappy fast food burger.

I get the reasoning behind in (marketing) and choice for those poor souls that have been duped into a vegetarian diet (for whatever reason). But as a proud, red blooded, animal hunting, carcass carving, meat eating male - I need to eat REAL food.
That being said: I also love vegetables...as a side dish.
 

Sorbate

My colon knows the difference
Banned
Joined
Apr 19, 2013
Messages
4,969
Likes Received
3,451
Location
Ontario
As a butcher shop owner, I think it’s funny but scary at the same time.
There is a huge agenda to remove meat from our diets. It was removed off the food guide last year.
I’m so tired of the liberal agenda to control everyone for our own good.

These products are more processed than cold cuts.
I bet they are not nearly as healthy, but the ones driving the agenda don’t care, they can appeal to the new coddled masses by giving the appearance of being more in style.

Anyhow it’s like when they spew the shit about plant based diets being better on the planet than meat diets.
Such shit. But no one looks into the chemicals used in other countries, or the destruction of fertile areas used for planting, where animals can graze on unsuitable land.

I am hoping it will be a fad like all other fads.
I remember about 5 years ago, everyone had a gluten allergy, now only the ones who are truly gluten intolerant actually are looking for those products, the rest want their flavour back.

Great example of this is every week I sell 800 lbs of hamburger patties I make with toasted wheat crumbs in it, I also make a great gluten free patty, just as good as the gluten one. I sell about 50 lbs a week of those, lol.

I am also getting busier every year, so either I’m sucking up business elsewhere or people still love meat.

Fuck the hippy, low test, mentally challenged goofs. :)
 
Last edited:

millenium girl

CJM’s GROUPIE
Joined
Feb 10, 2014
Messages
3,861
Likes Received
1,983
Location
Far away
I have been a vegetarian since the early 80's and turned vegan last year. I take a few supplements like iron, a B vitamins complex, etc .... My cholesterol is very low and the other blood values are within range.
 

Jdave

Official CJM Suck Baby
Joined
Feb 24, 2017
Messages
3,281
Likes Received
3,650
As a butcher shop owner, I think it’s funny but scary at the same time.
There is a huge agenda to remove meat from our diets. It was removed off the food guide last year.
I’m so tired of the liberal agenda to control everyone for our own good.

These products are more processed than cold cuts.
I bet they are not nearly as healthy, but the ones driving the agenda don’t care, they can appeal to the new coddled masses by giving the appearance of being more in style.

Anyhow it’s like when they spew the shit about plant based diets being better on the planet than meat diets.
Such shit. But no one looks into the chemicals used in other countries, or the destruction of fertile areas used for planting, where animals can graze on unsuitable land.

I am hoping it will be a fad like all other fads.
I remember about 5 years ago, everyone had a gluten allergy, now only the ones who are truly gluten intolerant actually are looking for those products, the rest want their flavour back.

Great example of this is every week I sell 800 lbs of hamburger patties I make with toasted wheat crumbs in it, I also make a great gluten free patty, just as good as the gluten one. I sell about 50 lbs a week of those, lol.

I am also getting busier every year, so either I’m sucking up business elsewhere or people still love meat.

Fuck the hippy, low test, mentally challenged goofs. :)
Haha well said!
Yeah I don’t get why they took meat off instead of just listing it as a high protein source equal or better than beans or tofu
 

Mnemonic

Super Heavyweight
Joined
Jul 20, 2015
Messages
1,991
Likes Received
1,723
Location
Ontario
I have been a vegetarian since the early 80's and turned vegan last year. I take a few supplements like iron, a B vitamins complex, etc .... My cholesterol is very low and the other blood values are within range.
So having been a long term vegetarian and recent vegan, what is your perspective and opinion on these "beyond meat" burgers?

I can't help but laugh when I think of the name in relation to its unhealthiness compared to regular burgers.
Beyond meat, you're damn right lol.
 

xpac2

VET
Joined
Nov 14, 2012
Messages
1,817
Likes Received
2,118
Location
Toronto
As a butcher shop owner, I think it’s funny but scary at the same time.
There is a huge agenda to remove meat from our diets. It was removed off the food guide last year.
I’m so tired of the liberal agenda to control everyone for our own good.

These products are more processed than cold cuts.
I bet they are not nearly as healthy, but the ones driving the agenda don’t care, they can appeal to the new coddled masses by giving the appearance of being more in style.

Anyhow it’s like when they spew the shit about plant based diets being better on the planet than meat diets.
Such shit. But no one looks into the chemicals used in other countries, or the destruction of fertile areas used for planting, where animals can graze on unsuitable land.

I am hoping it will be a fad like all other fads.
I remember about 5 years ago, everyone had a gluten allergy, now only the ones who are truly gluten intolerant actually are looking for those products, the rest want their flavour back.

Great example of this is every week I sell 800 lbs of hamburger patties I make with toasted wheat crumbs in it, I also make a great gluten free patty, just as good as the gluten one. I sell about 50 lbs a week of those, lol.

I am also getting busier every year, so either I’m sucking up business elsewhere or people still love meat.

Fuck the hippy, low test, mentally challenged goofs. :)

Glad you are doing good business. Nothing better than a local butcher for real meat! If you are near oakville and you don't mind PM'ing me your business would love to shop there.
 

manfreakyca

Super Heavyweight
Joined
May 9, 2018
Messages
1,487
Likes Received
823
Location
southern ontario
I could never go off real meat !!!give me barbecued chops n ribs n steak!My body Feels full n pumped eating steak!!!Society trying to get you away from eating meat!! But why???? A fat Burger or a Harveys Double mmmmmmm never in a million years you could sway me!! Keep Fighting the good Fight homies!
 

~Dr Juice~

Administrator
Joined
Jan 1, 1999
Messages
5,669
Likes Received
4,583
Location
Victoria B.C.
-- I love meat just as much as the next red-blooded male but I'm on the fence about this one. With the ever-growing population of the planet, from what I understand, the number one reason for this race to eliminate meat and meat products is to curb global warming.


This short excerpt is taken from a recent article by author Michael Pollan:


====================

. . . . He proceeded to tick off all the ways beef was bad for the planet, ways that (I hope) are becoming increasingly familiar to us. The cattle industry is responsible for enormous environmental harm. It accounts for 80 percent of the deforestation of the Amazon rainforest. Cows make methane, the most dangerous global warming chemical there is, 28 times worse than carbon dioxide, and at our current scale of 1.5 billion head of cattle, cow farts are no joke. Methane now accounts for 16 percent of all greenhouse gas emissions, and we keep having to revise that number upwards.

"People who eat a lot of beef are contributing to climate change substantially, in ways they don’t realize," Pollan says.
Chances are, you don't need him to tell you that. Sea levels are set to rise by a coastal-city drowning level of 26 inches in the time between us and you. If you wanted to launch a vast class-action lawsuit against any company involved in the cattle business in our time, you'd have a pretty good case.

"Buying beef at the supermarket is literally one of the worst things you can do for the planet, and I can't imagine too many more generations will be able to ignore this fact."

I'm a lifelong meat eater, a huge lover of steak, and I am starting to feel the strain of cognitive dissonance. When Consumer Reports tested 300 random packages of ground beef from 100 locations across America in 2015, all 300 came back positive for fecal contamination, the grain-fed and the superior grass-fed stuff alike. There are only so many burgers you can cook while ignoring this stomach-churning fact. Our centralized, USDA-approved slaughterhouse system is a mess, and most every cow in the country has to go through it. In doctor's offices across America, red meat is the new smoking — the thing your doctor urges you to give up every time you go in. Just the other week, mine insisted I go read a troubling study about how bacteria in steaks, even grass-fed, can mess with your gut microbiome. And he's from cattle central, Iowa City.

There are many other reasons to think we won't be consuming meat as we know it by the 22nd century — cool-headed business reasons. "Growing cattle is a very inefficient way to make beef," Pollan says. "If the rest of the world wants to eat meat at the rate [Americans] do, we literally don't have enough world."

He's not wrong. Cattle consume 1,800 gallons of water per pound of beef (again, even the grass-fed kind). Grow wheat to make Impossible burgers instead, and you've saved 1,600 gallons per pound. You don't have to be a corporate accountant to see the savings. Add to that the fact that half of a cow is unusable after slaughter. Name another industry that has to throw away 50 percent of its product before it even gets close to the consumer. Even the fashion for so-called "nose to tail" eating hasn't shifted that figure.

====================
 
Last edited:

~Dr Juice~

Administrator
Joined
Jan 1, 1999
Messages
5,669
Likes Received
4,583
Location
Victoria B.C.
-- I should point out that, in my opinion, I don't believe meat or meat products will ever be completely eliminated, however, on the contrary, they will still be available to consumers, but at a huge premium. A premium at which will put meat virtually out of reach for most any average consumer, or such that, will only make it feasible to be purchased for a celebratory event such as Christmas or birthdays, etc. I predict this also happening when autonomous electric cars and trucks eventually take over the roadways. You'll still be able to pull the old '69 Dodge Charger out of the garage for a rip but the trade-off will be much higher insurance and astronomically high gasoline prices.
 

Mnemonic

Super Heavyweight
Joined
Jul 20, 2015
Messages
1,991
Likes Received
1,723
Location
Ontario
-- I love meat just as much as the next red-blooded male but I'm on the fence about this one. With the ever-growing population of the planet, from what I understand, the number one reason for this race to eliminate meat and meat products is to curb global warming.


This short excerpt is taken from a recent article by author Michael Pollan:


====================

He proceeded to tick off all the ways beef was bad for the planet, ways that (I hope) are becoming increasingly familiar to us. The cattle industry is responsible for enormous environmental harm. It accounts for 80 percent of the deforestation of the Amazon rainforest. Cows make methane, the most dangerous global warming chemical there is, 28 times worse than carbon dioxide, and at our current scale of 1.5 billion head of cattle, cow farts are no joke. Methane now accounts for 16 percent of all greenhouse gas emissions, and we keep having to revise that number upwards.

"People who eat a lot of beef are contributing to climate change substantially, in ways they don’t realize," Pollan says.
Chances are, you don't need him to tell you that. Sea levels are set to rise by a coastal-city drowning level of 26 inches in the time between us and you. If you wanted to launch a vast class-action lawsuit against any company involved in the cattle business in our time, you'd have a pretty good case.

"Buying beef at the supermarket is literally one of the worst things you can do for the planet, and I can't imagine too many more generations will be able to ignore this fact."

Buying beef at the supermarket is literally one of the worst things you can do for the planet, and I can't imagine too many more generations will be able to ignore this fact.

I'm a lifelong meat eater, a huge lover of steak, and I am starting to feel the strain of cognitive dissonance. When Consumer Reports tested 300 random packages of ground beef from 100 locations across America in 2015, all 300 came back positive for fecal contamination, the grain-fed and the superior grass-fed stuff alike. There are only so many burgers you can cook while ignoring this stomach-churning fact. Our centralized, USDA-approved slaughterhouse system is a mess, and most every cow in the country has to go through it. In doctor's offices across America, red meat is the new smoking — the thing your doctor urges you to give up every time you go in. Just the other week, mine insisted I go read a troubling study about how bacteria in steaks, even grass-fed, can mess with your gut microbiome. And he's from cattle central, Iowa City.

There are many other reasons to think we won't be consuming meat as we know it by the 22nd century — cool-headed business reasons. "Growing cattle is a very inefficient way to make beef," Pollan says. "If the rest of the world wants to eat meat at the rate [Americans] do, we literally don't have enough world."

He's not wrong. Cattle consume 1,800 gallons of water per pound of beef (again, even the grass-fed kind). Grow wheat to make Impossible burgers instead, and you've saved 1,600 gallons per pound. You don't have to be a corporate accountant to see the savings. Add to that the fact that half of a cow is unusable after slaughter. Name another industry that has to throw away 50 percent of its product before it even gets close to the consumer. Even the fashion for so-called "nose to tail" eating hasn't shifted that figure.

====================
This I agree with and it is inevitable, we will have to adapt and change to overcome problems on the horizon... Meat will one day be a luxury many will not be able to afford, short of raising the animal yourself.
*edit* they've already been making meat in a lab, but it surely isn't vegetable/fat based. It is synthetic textured and flavoured to simulate meat, I believe just beef and burgers at this point. The figures were originally $350k USD to produce the burger, and has already dropped to $5000. Scientist Mark Post believes that synthetic meat will soon be $80/kg and will be in stores within the next 10 years. *edit*

But, I firmly believe fast food chains are taking advantage of that movement and supplying this vegetable fat slop as an alternative.
They only care about providing a gimmick that gets them more publicity, and increases sales.
Likely a response to the general population attempting to eat better and save money in this insane economy.
"Now you can eat better, easier!" Hah!
 
Last edited:

millenium girl

CJM’s GROUPIE
Joined
Feb 10, 2014
Messages
3,861
Likes Received
1,983
Location
Far away
So having been a long term vegetarian and recent vegan, what is your perspective and opinion on these "beyond meat" burgers?

I can't help but laugh when I think of the name in relation to its unhealthiness compared to regular burgers.
Beyond meat, you're damn right lol.
As an animal lover, I wish everyone would eat more plant based products of course. But some pretend that they cannot live without meat (my father was one of them. That's bullshit, if you eat fish, chicken or eggs your body good quality protein and the environment will be less polluted. But animals will still suffer :(
 

EastCoast'er

Super Heavyweight
Joined
Aug 19, 2018
Messages
371
Likes Received
476
There’s a Documentary on Netflix “ the magic pill “
It is a documentary outlining the keto diet and the nutritional industry falsely informing the public on what to eat and not to eat.
Society today has more illnesses then ever before. Potentially linked to diet.
But the solution to fixing this illnesses is medication. And then to counter the medication side effects we take more medications.
When maybe we had it right all along , from centuries ago. Eating Strictly meat and vegetables. Natural growing produce. Right off the land.

Today , Health issues are endless. Heck I receive any 911 medical emergency now and go to ask a patient their medical history and you can almost bet money they will inform you they’re diabetic, struggle with hypertension/cardiovascular issues.
I can’t imagine what our personal health will become if we continue to proceed eating all this factory processed food, and now eliminating meat for even more processed foods. And trying to create an “alternative” in some factory.
 
Last edited:

Mnemonic

Super Heavyweight
Joined
Jul 20, 2015
Messages
1,991
Likes Received
1,723
Location
Ontario
There’s a Documentary on Netflix “ the magic pill “
It is a documentary outlining the keto diet and the nutritional industry falsely informing the public on what to eat and not to eat.
Society today has more illnesses then ever before. Potentially linked to diet.
But the solution to fixing this illnesses is medication. And then to counter the medication side effects we take more medications.
When maybe we had it right all along , from centuries ago. Eating Strictly meat and vegetables. Natural growing produce. Right off the land.

Today , Health issues are endless. Heck I receive any 911 medical emergency now and go to ask a patient their medical history and you can almost bet money they will inform you they’re diabetic, struggle with hypertension and cardiovascular issues.
I can’t imagine what our personal health will become if we continue to proceed eating all this factory processed food, and now eliminating meat for even more processed foods. And trying to create an “alternative” in some factory.
100% linked to diet. Everything is related to insulin resistance, eating frequency, lack of nutrients and lack of exercise.
Constantly shoving processed and manufactured sugars and highly modified/processed grains that give us little to no nutrition compared to their original form. Our diet should consist of meat, vegetable and natural sources of carbs ideally.
We're all just fighting the battle of when we need to cut back, ultimately the healthiest diet for all aspects of our health is keto combined with fasting. We eat too much bad food combined with too often. Then when people make a change to eat healthy, they get bombarded by pesticides and chemicals to enable our food to once again survive and live longer... Ultimately killing ourselves faster. It's just a vicious circle.

Seems like our evolutionary changes to sustain such a large population will ultimately be our downfall.
Watch as the global life expectancy sharply declines over the next few decades, as chronic illness continues to skyrocket from our own food and habits.

As an animal lover, I wish everyone would eat more plant based products of course. But some pretend that they cannot live without meat (my father was one of them. That's bullshit, if you eat fish, chicken or eggs your body good quality protein and the environment will be less polluted. But animals will still suffer :(
Vegan diets can be and are incredibly healthy diets, you definitely do not NEED to eat meat to survive and thrive.
Who knows, I may have to go vegetarian some day. I ain't close to that day, but it may happen for health concerns.

But I asked your opinion on this burger from the stance of a vegan, not vegetarianism/veganism as a whole.
I can argue and humor both sides, but I simply enjoy eating meat and respect your stance.
 
Top