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I truly hope you get it all figured out man we will be watching for the updates.

I tell all my friends when they talk about using Tren is the risk to reward were it needs to be and what is your end goal most are rec lifters that just want to look jacked in the gym well I always tell them there are other compounds that can aid in that, Tren is so hard on the system ive used it twice and for me the reward isn't enough to put my system under that stress again.
 

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As others have mentioned - the Tren trashed your bloods (and system in general).
You're off it now.
Your system will stabilize-but it's gonna take time. Probably longer than just 30 days.
Tren is some SERIOUSLY harsh shit.
Yea I should have been a little more cautious coming into this cycle. I'm not 23 anymore. I used to run tren like creatine. Now I pay the price.

No real reason to come off trt though, in my eyes- unless your doc is going to be working with you to prescribe it "the right way".
Think of it this way - if your testes were functioning normally and you were sick because you were taking some prescribed anti-depressant or something - the doctor would't prescribe cutting your nuts off so you would stop producing test. You'd just carry on producing your test. By ending TrT that's what he's doing. Why doesn't he want you on a more normal/level/stable supply of test?
I think he's testing me to see if I'm trying to get test from him or something. He is a "trt specialist" he has a clinic specifically for it. But im not coming to him through his clinic i lucked out and connected with him on an app called babylon for online doc consultations.
I always planned to have a kid at some point so I'm thinking this must be the time. Its been years though I dont know if its even going to work.

Forcing your body to survive on lower than normal test levels...supplemented by HCG (a pregnancy hormone) which will actually cause you to retain water (further strain to your kidneys), raise your BP and only MAYBE raise your test production of your testes is fucking cruel man.
But again - there may be a reason...???

Keep us up to date and let us know how things go!
I really hope he know what he's doing.
I read a study that stated low testosterone is hard on your kidneys. Lol I mentioned it so him he said "let me worry about that stuff"
I honestly don't know what the fuck im talking about lol

If my test is low and he is just dragging me through the dirt ill get rid of him and move on.
I'm 36. im now ready for trt not sure why I'm coming off I didn't tell him I want kids. I'll hcg the shit outa myself, pop out a kid and get back on trt with a microscope on my bloods.

I appreciate the support guys.
I have noone else to talk about this with.
 

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I truly hope you get it all figured out man we will be watching for the updates.

I tell all my friends when they talk about using Tren is the risk to reward were it needs to be and what is your end goal most are rec lifters that just want to look jacked in the gym well I always tell them there are other compounds that can aid in that, Tren is so hard on the system ive used it twice and for me the reward isn't enough to put my system under that stress again.
Thank you for the concern im keeping it pretty quiet with the family so its nice having some ppl to talk about it with.

I spent years reading and researching all about how bad any of this is if you abuse it.
What did I do abuse the shit out of it.
I always learn shit the hard way.

Honestly I looked at the massive guys we all know and figured bah I must be fine they take way more then I do. Well I fucked that up hahha.

I'm sure ill be ok. I'm doing everything by the book to straighten up.

Lesson learned.

I'll keep updates. Maybe it can help someone else.
 

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Thank you for the concern im keeping it pretty quiet with the family so its nice having some ppl to talk about it with.

I spent years reading and researching all about how bad any of this is if you abuse it.
What did I do abuse the shit out of it.
I always learn shit the hard way.

Honestly I looked at the massive guys we all know and figured bah I must be fine they take way more then I do. Well I fucked that up hahha.

I'm sure ill be ok. I'm doing everything by the book to straighten up.

Lesson learned.

I'll keep updates. Maybe it can help someone else.
100% brother....that's what this forum is good for man teaching and learning if your story can stop one person from putting themselves in a similar situation then you have done good sharing it.
 

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I know a doctor in Europe who’s a bodybuilder himself, and has a list of patients, many of whom are on pretty advanced stacks. I believe he works with clients internationally, although he’s not one of these YouTube/social media “instadoc” guys. His practice website is non-english, although based on my chats with him, he’s totally fluent.

Given your bloodwork, I’m sure he’d have some observations right off the cuff. Happy to point you in his direction if you shoot me a PM.

Also... if CJM is looking for a resident medically qualified forum lurker, perhaps in return for a sponsor slot, I’d be happy to plug him into whomever on CJM staff.

Just an idea, and I do of course realise that the whole domain of medical practice/solicitation requires careful consideration. He is however in a ‘friendly’ jurisdiction that lends to international practise. I’ve derived so much value from this community, so v.happy to make an intro. Maybe something will come of it, maybe not.
 

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I would be interested in your interpretation of my bloodwork results. I read that you have some experience with kidney issues.
Thanks.
i really truly wish i could help you my friend but i never had to interpret any bloodwork. my doctor did all that and then we discussed my personal situation. but as far as seeing the printout ive never even seen mine. we did everything orally. what i CAN do for you is discuss the few things that ACTUALLY have some science and clinical tests behind them that actually help kidneys. unfortunately there not much. and i can also warn you to be wary of anavar as its unique in the fact its mostly metabolized by KIDNEYS and not liver like most orals. i posted a brief article about thst here somewhere. these type things i would be more than happy to help you with but as far as reading your results and making any sort of recommendation would be absolutely reckless of me and just plain wrong. i do not have the exp nor the qualifications to do something like that. i would never endanger someone like that. i see many BROdoctors in this life but i refuse to become one. if i dont KNOW i wont guess or speculate especially with someone else body/life.
all that said. feel free to DM me anytime and ill be happy to answer anything i do KNOW that may help you.
 

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Update:
I am currently in stage 3a of kidney failure.
But I believe the cards were stacked against me having bad values. Tren, heavy weight training just before, harsh calorie deficit and creatine, hopefully there will be a dramatic change next bloodwork.
Its been 11 days since my last shot. I was on 500 test e and 400 tren e.
Im taking 500iu HCG eod
Clomid @ 50mg/day
My kidneys haven't been aching the last couple days and its been 3 days since I have had that metal taste in my mouth.
I have tightened up my diet avoiding kidney harsh foods and added some that are good for them.
I have stopped taking creatine and protein powder.
I'm taking NAC, Astragalus and Cordyceps.
I also seriously upped my water drinking game.
I have another doc appointment in a little over 2 weeks. We will be doing another round of bloodwork to see how things are coming along.
30 min cardio in the am and weight training at 80% so I don't put more stress on the kidneys.
Its been hard to stay motivated to keep up the diet and training but I gota do it. I have been dragging my ass around a bit lately.
 

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Update:
I am currently in stage 3a of kidney failure.
But I believe the cards were stacked against me having bad values. Tren, heavy weight training just before, harsh calorie deficit and creatine, hopefully there will be a dramatic change next bloodwork.
Its been 11 days since my last shot. I was on 500 test e and 400 tren e.
Im taking 500iu HCG eod
Clomid @ 50mg/day
My kidneys haven't been aching the last couple days and its been 3 days since I have had that metal taste in my mouth.
I have tightened up my diet avoiding kidney harsh foods and added some that are good for them.
I have stopped taking creatine and protein powder.
I'm taking NAC, Astragalus and Cordyceps.
I also seriously upped my water drinking game.
I have another doc appointment in a little over 2 weeks. We will be doing another round of bloodwork to see how things are coming along.
30 min cardio in the am and weight training at 80% so I don't put more stress on the kidneys.
Its been hard to stay motivated to keep up the diet and training but I gota do it. I have been dragging my ass around a bit lately.
I'm sorry to hear that @Meee. What are your latest creatinine, eGFR and urea values? You could see improvements now you've dropped tren, and made some other changes.
 

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Update:
I am currently in stage 3a of kidney failure.
But I believe the cards were stacked against me having bad values. Tren, heavy weight training just before, harsh calorie deficit and creatine, hopefully there will be a dramatic change next bloodwork.
Its been 11 days since my last shot. I was on 500 test e and 400 tren e.
Im taking 500iu HCG eod
Clomid @ 50mg/day
My kidneys haven't been aching the last couple days and its been 3 days since I have had that metal taste in my mouth.
I have tightened up my diet avoiding kidney harsh foods and added some that are good for them.
I have stopped taking creatine and protein powder.
I'm taking NAC, Astragalus and Cordyceps.
I also seriously upped my water drinking game.
I have another doc appointment in a little over 2 weeks. We will be doing another round of bloodwork to see how things are coming along.
30 min cardio in the am and weight training at 80% so I don't put more stress on the kidneys.
Its been hard to stay motivated to keep up the diet and training but I gota do it. I have been dragging my ass around a bit lately.
@Meee dont mean to derail your thread but have you done a lot of tren in your younger years ?

best of luck to you brother, hopefully your values come down being off the gear and eating right.
 

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I am optimistic.
This diagnostic is based on 1 round of bloodwork mid tren blast just after losing 20lbs training hard 6x/week in a calorie deficit taking creatine.
Creatinine - 148
eGFR - 52
urea - I dont see this in my results. I'm assuming it wasn't testes.
 

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@Meee dont mean to derail your thread but have you done a lot of tren in your younger years ?

best of luck to you brother, hopefully your values come down being off the gear and eating right.
I have done 4 tren cycles 3 of them were in my early 20's.
I have been on a 160mg test "trt" for the past 5 years. Self prescribed no bloodwork.
 

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I am optimistic.
This diagnostic is based on 1 round of bloodwork mid tren blast just after losing 20lbs training hard 6x/week in a calorie deficit taking creatine.
Creatinine - 148
eGFR - 52
urea - I dont see this in my results. I'm assuming it wasn't testes.
Those numbers could potentially turn around.
 

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I have done 4 tren cycles 3 of them were in my early 20's.
I have been on a 160mg test "trt" for the past 5 years. Self prescribed no bloodwork.
Not nearly as bad as the answer I was expecting, were your running pretty outrageous doses?

do you have lots of foam in your urine ?

whats your bp at on a regular basis ? What was it when you were on blast ?
 

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One cycle was 600 tren ace and 600 test prop for 12 weeks. That was the biggest.
My pee is foamy if I dont keep hydrated yep. I have been monitoring my BP everyday and its pretty good but not perfect. I wasn't checking during my blast.
I took this one right now
 

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I am optimistic.
This diagnostic is based on 1 round of bloodwork mid tren blast just after losing 20lbs training hard 6x/week in a calorie deficit taking creatine.
Creatinine - 148
eGFR - 52
urea - I dont see this in my results. I'm assuming it wasn't testes.
Your creatinine is high , but I wouldn’t be panicking quite yet get full panel done.

EGFR isn’t best way of determine kidney failure , for example if your African American they immediately increase your EGFR by just over 20% with exact same inputs. My doctor said for people that carry muscle mass it’s a poor calculator to be using. I can’t recall the formula my doctor recommended me but it factors in muscle tissue which makes the picture alot more clear alongside the other kidney function tests.

Here’s a calculator to play around with https://ukidney.com/nephrology-resources/egfr-calculator

Found it , here is another calcutor to try your numbers with. I think a mix between the EGFR and this one is more accurate to use for gym rats.
 
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Like I said before the serum creatinine number you posted is bad but it is not the final piece of the puzzle to see if your kidneys are actually damaged or not.

Coming off tren will help that number for sure. You also want to stress to your doctor you need additional blood work AND urine work to see whats going on

serum creatinine
Cystatin C
ACR
24 hour urine collection with a creatinine clearance, protein count, sodium count.

do all of this and you will have a better idea of whats going on.

Drink 3-4 litres of water a day. Mega dose the astragalus. I would reccomend switching from NOW to another brand. Dante and the boys on professional muscle all noticed zero effect with NOW astragalus.

Look into chitosan as well for creatinine.

Keep your BP low and your food clean.
 

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This seems a little ridiculous.
I have no gyno or water retention what so ever.
I have no idea what I'm talking about though.
Tren will show up as elevated estrogen on a blood test. Don’t pay attention to the number just keep an eye on sides
 

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Like I said before the serum creatinine number you posted is bad but it is not the final piece of the puzzle to see if your kidneys are actually damaged or not.

Coming off tren will help that number for sure. You also want to stress to your doctor you need additional blood work AND urine work to see whats going on

serum creatinine
Cystatin C
ACR
24 hour urine collection with a creatinine clearance, protein count, sodium count.

do all of this and you will have a better idea of whats going on.

Drink 3-4 litres of water a day. Mega dose the astragalus. I would reccomend switching from NOW to another brand. Dante and the boys on professional muscle all noticed zero effect with NOW astragalus.

Look into chitosan as well for creatinine.

Keep your BP low and your food clean.
This is great thanks.
I may need to get these other tests done myself or go to another doctor.
When I asked about the other tests you mentioned and about seeing a specialist he basically said "let me worry about this stuff" and we will wait to see where we are in a months time before escalating it.
I am have 2 weeks before I see him again.
 

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This is great thanks.
I may need to get these other tests done myself or go to another doctor.
When I asked about the other tests you mentioned and about seeing a specialist he basically said "let me worry about this stuff" and we will wait to see where we are in a months time before escalating it.
I am have 2 weeks before I see him again.
ya this pisses me the fuck off lol

DEMAND the tests. If they do not provide them walk the fuck out and see a new doctor. God damn arrogance kills me.
 
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