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Hey monsters,
So I’ve decided to cruise after done this my first cycle. I’m 40 running 500mg test c split mon/thurs, I’m 10 weeks in out of 15. My blood work came back super low which is reason for decision.
My lifts are up 20-25 lbs & weight is up about 20lbs & I feel great. When I go to cruise I was going to drop 100mg a week over 4 weeks to 150mg A week.
From yr guys experience how much would you expect to retain on strength & weight? I will be continuing to train & eating well ( using Rp diet app currently & seems to be working well). Thanks for your thoughts
 

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You can gain more if you keep up the intensity of your training and calories!! Maybe a few lbs of water.
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From yr guys experience how much would you expect to retain on strength & weight? I will be continuing to train & eating well ( using Rp diet app currently & seems to be working well).
Why do you automatically assume you are going to LOSE??? Are you going to stop eating or training?

F*** this bothers me that people think just because they are not on a full cycle they cannot continue to make gains...

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This is great news! I absolutely don’t have any intent whatsoever of slowing down on eating or training & your absolutely right it’s an assumption. But is it really that straight forward? I thought there would be some decrease being less anabolic.
 

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What are your future plans? If they are to be stuck on TRT for life then keep going.
Seeing its your first cycle, maybe slow down a bit, let your body recover and put the work in. Nothing is free.
How old are you? Want kids? Sorry, dont really know your situation.
 

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Also, what do you weigh now, and what did you weigh before the cycle?
 

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If this is your first cycle and you DO NOT have low Testosterons to begin with (based on bloodwork) then I would highly recommend you come off and try to restart. If you dont have to be on Testoterone permanently then it would be wise to not purposely cause yourself to be. With that said though, some guys are never able to restart themselves and some guys go into a cycle with low Testosterone to begin with so they'd be foolish to even try and resteart as far as Im concerned. This is why its very important to have levels checked before and after not to mention its a good idea from a health standpoint as well.

To answer the question though, if a guy knows how to correctly train and eat then he will be able to keep every pound he gained if he decides to 'cruise' after a cycle. I know because I've done it. Ive kept every pound Ive gained now just being on TRT.

Edit: bloodwork came back super low at 10 weeks in?!
 
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40, married 3 kids don’t want more, natural test was at 12.4 year and 1/2 ago & pre cycle blood work according to lgc was 7.9. Decided to run cycle as doc told me 12.4 was normal & healthy while at same time no sex drive & worked out 4-6 times a week w/ minimal results. I could go on but I honestly feel like I’m whining. Spent months looking into & deciding before I started & uderstand what I committing to for the rest of my life. I’m an adult I know nothing’s free & don’t think much of that portion of your comment, excuse me if read wrong. Weight before was 185 & up to 205, & strength is great, very satisfying to see things moving in right direction that way. Was doing ppl on 6 day split but was pushing to hard so dialed back to ppl m/w/f then use Saturday to alternate thru whatever I feel is falling behind or want to hit twice that week.
 

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40, married 3 kids don’t want more, natural test was at 12.4 year and 1/2 ago & pre cycle blood work according to lgc was 7.9. Decided to run cycle as doc told me 12.4 was normal & healthy while at same time no sex drive & worked out 4-6 times a week w/ minimal results. I could go on but I honestly feel like I’m whining. Spent months looking into & deciding before I started & uderstand what I committing to for the rest of my life. I’m an adult I know nothing’s free & don’t think much of that portion of your comment, excuse me if read wrong. Weight before was 185 & up to 205, & strength is great, very satisfying to see things moving in right direction that way. Was doing ppl on 6 day split but was pushing to hard so dialed back to ppl m/w/f then use Saturday to alternate thru whatever I feel is falling behind or want to hit twice that week.
Gotcha! Man at 40 I'd take the plunge and TRT it and if your knowledgeable enough on bloodwork just do it yourself to avoid having to screw around with an MD or pay for a hormone replacement doc.
 

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If this is your first cycle and you DO NOT have low Testosterons to begin with (based on bloodwork) then I would highly recommend you come off and try to restart. If you dont have to be on Testoterone permanently then it would be wise to not purposely cause yourself to be. With that said though, some guys are never able to restart themselves and some guys go into a cycle with low Testosterone to begin with so they'd be foolish to even try and resteart as far as Im concerned. This is why its very important to have levels checked before and after not to mention its a good idea from a health standpoint as well.

To answer the question though, if a guy knows how to correctly train and eat then he will be able to keep every pound he gained if he decides to 'cruise' after a cycle. I know because I've done it. Ive kept every pound Ive gained now just being on TRT.

Edit: bloodwork came back super low at 10 weeks in?!
Ya I agree w start of that for sure. When I was told I was 12.4 & that was normal I was surprised because by the reading I had 5 out of 7 signs of low T. It’s definitely caused me to not have much faith in gp’s as far as hormones. I had worked out for several months & had standard newbie gains for about 6-7 months then everything stopped for months that’s what prompted me to get checked. Then after being told I was normal & thinking I wasn’t doing something right, paying for plan & following to the T, buying a camera to film lifts to ensure form, & still having no results I decided to run a cycle. So I took a few months & learned all the basics & fully expected to pct, so I ordered a blood kit from let’s get checked (which I won’t use again) & 3 bottles of test c, adex, hcg,clomid & nolva. This is one part where I did kinda make a misstep, I got my gear before my kit so I had to wait till kit came before while it was staring at me lol, so when kit finally came I put the blood in the tube & sent off & started pinning right away before it came back. When I got my blood work back it said my test was at 7.9!! Being that low I probably should have gone & seen a doctor & im not ruling it out but when I do it will be at an anti aging type clinic where I’m basically paying the guy & I hope that makes a difference in level of care & experience. Since being “on” I feel great, I’ve got parts of me back I forgot I lost & am definitely not going back now that I know I don’t have to. I’m actually surprised they don’t make depressed men get their T checked. Man sorry if I just bled all over you, but I’m feeling like ppl are taking me wrong. Thanks for advice I’m stoked at aspect of being able to keep all of this by just continuing to work hard!
 

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Ya I agree w start of that for sure. When I was told I was 12.4 & that was normal I was surprised because by the reading I had 5 out of 7 signs of low T. It’s definitely caused me to not have much faith in gp’s as far as hormones. I had worked out for several months & had standard newbie gains for about 6-7 months then everything stopped for months that’s what prompted me to get checked. Then after being told I was normal & thinking I wasn’t doing something right, paying for plan & following to the T, buying a camera to film lifts to ensure form, & still having no results I decided to run a cycle. So I took a few months & learned all the basics & fully expected to pct, so I ordered a blood kit from let’s get checked (which I won’t use again) & 3 bottles of test c, adex, hcg,clomid & nolva. This is one part where I did kinda make a misstep, I got my gear before my kit so I had to wait till kit came before while it was staring at me lol, so when kit finally came I put the blood in the tube & sent off & started pinning right away before it came back. When I got my blood work back it said my test was at 7.9!! Being that low I probably should have gone & seen a doctor & im not ruling it out but when I do it will be at an anti aging type clinic where I’m basically paying the guy & I hope that makes a difference in level of care & experience. Since being “on” I feel great, I’ve got parts of me back I forgot I lost & am definitely not going back now that I know I don’t have to. I’m actually surprised they don’t make depressed men get their T checked. Man sorry if I just bled all over you, but I’m feeling like ppl are taking me wrong. Thanks for advice I’m stoked at aspect of being able to keep all of this by just continuing to work hard!
I don't think anyone's taking you wrong. I'm certainly not and I understand where you are coming from. Regardless of how you got to this point in life you got here. I started TRT much younger than you and it was the best descision I ever made. If you do decide to go see a specialist for oversight you will need to come off completely and baseline so there may be a period of time where you feel like shit, just be prepared. Do not go get levels checked on a 'cruise' dose no matter how low it is and don't get check during or just after PCT, if you decide to do a PCT because chances are you'll have readings that won't cause a doctor to put you on replacement. When you have low Testosterone and then see the benefits of having normal or slightly higher than normal Testosterone levels its really a no brainer on what the right decision is.
 

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If this is your first cycle and you DO NOT have low Testosterons to begin with (based on bloodwork) then I would highly recommend you come off and try to restart. If you dont have to be on Testoterone permanently then it would be wise to not purposely cause yourself to be. With that said though, some guys are never able to restart themselves and some guys go into a cycle with low Testosterone to begin with so they'd be foolish to even try and resteart as far as Im concerned. This is why its very important to have levels checked before and after not to mention its a good idea from a health standpoint as well.

To answer the question though, if a guy knows how to correctly train and eat then he will be able to keep every pound he gained if he decides to 'cruise' after a cycle. I know because I've done it. Ive kept every pound Ive gained now just being on TRT.

Edit: bloodwork came back super low at 10 weeks in?!
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I don't think anyone's taking you wrong. I'm certainly not and I understand where you are coming from. Regardless of how you got to this point in life you got here. I started TRT much younger than you and it was the best descision I ever made. If you do decide to go see a specialist for oversight you will need to come off completely and baseline so there may be a period of time where you feel like shit, just be prepared. Do not go get levels checked on a 'cruise' dose no matter how low it is and don't get check during or just after PCT, if you decide to do a PCT because chances are you'll have readings that won't cause a doctor to put you on replacement. When you have low Testosterone and then see the benefits of having normal or slightly higher than normal Testosterone levels its really a no brainer on what the right decision is.
Thanks man I appreciate that. Ya I kinda figured that would be the case which is why I’m hesitant. There seems to be a large group of men in similar situations doing similar things & there is a lot of solid info out there so I feel pretty confident about the process. It’s nice to have a place like this to lean on experience of others. Thanks again
 

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Ya I agree w start of that for sure. When I was told I was 12.4 & that was normal I was surprised because by the reading I had 5 out of 7 signs of low T. It’s definitely caused me to not have much faith in gp’s as far as hormones. I had worked out for several months & had standard newbie gains for about 6-7 months then everything stopped for months that’s what prompted me to get checked. Then after being told I was normal & thinking I wasn’t doing something right, paying for plan & following to the T, buying a camera to film lifts to ensure form, & still having no results I decided to run a cycle. So I took a few months & learned all the basics & fully expected to pct, so I ordered a blood kit from let’s get checked (which I won’t use again) & 3 bottles of test c, adex, hcg,clomid & nolva. This is one part where I did kinda make a misstep, I got my gear before my kit so I had to wait till kit came before while it was staring at me lol, so when kit finally came I put the blood in the tube & sent off & started pinning right away before it came back. When I got my blood work back it said my test was at 7.9!! Being that low I probably should have gone & seen a doctor & im not ruling it out but when I do it will be at an anti aging type clinic where I’m basically paying the guy & I hope that makes a difference in level of care & experience. Since being “on” I feel great, I’ve got parts of me back I forgot I lost & am definitely not going back now that I know I don’t have to. I’m actually surprised they don’t make depressed men get their T checked. Man sorry if I just bled all over you, but I’m feeling like ppl are taking me wrong. Thanks for advice I’m stoked at aspect of being able to keep all of this by just continuing to work hard!
Dude. Your story is very relatable.
For me, I wanted to have a legit script. It was a struggle. I did a low dose run. When I was done, I made my dr give me a referral to an endo.
I timed the end of my run to be about 6 weeks or so from my endo appointment. Because I was already at the lower end of the spectrum, my levels did not bounce back very well. Which was perfect. Did bloods for the endo and boom. Script.
I would suggest doing the same.
Try to get your gp to give you a referral. Ya you’re going to have to bite the low t bullet for a while. But legit is legit.
jmho
 

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Hey monsters,
So I’ve decided to cruise after done this my first cycle. I’m 40 running 500mg test c split mon/thurs, I’m 10 weeks in out of 15. My blood work came back super low which is reason for decision.
My lifts are up 20-25 lbs & weight is up about 20lbs & I feel great. When I go to cruise I was going to drop 100mg a week over 4 weeks to 150mg A week.
From yr guys experience how much would you expect to retain on strength & weight? I will be continuing to train & eating well ( using Rp diet app currently & seems to be working well). Thanks for your thoughts
You will not lose anything going down on a cruise. You'll even gain some muscle if everything is in check. Keep your diet tight and train hard.
 

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A cruise is usually more testosterone, you are referring to putting yourself on a self TRT program. I have run cycles as high as 400 mg test per week and made gains but I do better with a prolonged cycle of TRT, and low dose Primo or boldenone and I do mean low (100-150 mg). I prefer Primo at low doses.

I take small amount of script HGH - 1-1.5 IU a day and continue to make progress. I'm in my 40's and I am bigger than I was in my 30's at 225. I could easily be heavier but I am eating low carb to get leaner.

To get to the point, I learned over the last couple years diet is the most important - getting the proper nutrients on a good schedule and treat it like you treat your training. Methodical and well thought out. As @PacMan said, if you come off and do a proper PCT you can keep and continue gaining if you know what your doing but it would be a lie to say it is easy. It is easier to gain and maintain with a little gear help.

Health should priority one in your 40's and a low dose protocol works for some of us but I still watch my BP daily and get regular blood work done. If I was you I would consider running your PCT, get hormone tests done again and if testosterone is still low see if your doctor will consider a TRT program and if not self TRT.
 

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Dude. Your story is very relatable.
For me, I wanted to have a legit script. It was a struggle. I did a low dose run. When I was done, I made my dr give me a referral to an endo.
I timed the end of my run to be about 6 weeks or so from my endo appointment. Because I was already at the lower end of the spectrum, my levels did not bounce back very well. Which was perfect. Did bloods for the endo and boom. Script.
I would suggest doing the same.
Try to get your gp to give you a referral. Ya you’re going to have to bite the low t bullet for a while. But legit is legit.
jmho
I tried that, crashed myself, went to my doc to get something, a script, referral, he said "meh we need to wait longer". I was already feeling like shit so I said fuck that. At least he keeps giving me the paperwork to get bloods done so I can monitor myself. I'm almost ready to give up on finding a doctor script.

PARAGRAPH BREAK FOR CHEVY

Note that this wasn't an isolated occurence, I have a history showing low T, i've been prescribed gel before, and some various PCT type drugs in an attempt to help. I was just about to make a breakthrough with a knowledgable sports doctors and then he went into specialized practice and I lost direct access to him.

Anyway, back to the original question, no you won't lose your gains. But the general advice is to have a training age and know that kind of stuff about yourself BEFORE you start supplementing. Sounds like you are dealing with changing too many variables at one time.
 
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