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250 for 12 weeks combined with good eating and training you should have no problems putting on 15 -20lbs.

I have never run HCG so I won't comment on that.

1/2 weeks after your last shot start Nolvadex
2 weeks at 40 a day
2 weeks at 20 a day

I would follow pacmans PCT protocol now that he has chimed in.
 

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The most relevant post about bloodwork says to check markers below

1. HIGH SENSITIVITY CRP (or C-Reactive Protein)

Healthy range: < -3.00 mg/L

This test is an indicator of inflammation in the body


2. ALT (alanine transferase)

Healthy range: 17 - 63 U/L

This test evaluates levels of liver enzymes.

- Use of hormones, especially oral hormones, can lead to increases in these values.
- Strenuous exercise, especially in close time relation to testing can also increase these values.
- Common pain relievers including Ibuprofen (Advil), Acetaminophen (Tylenol) and other such medications can lead to an increase in these findings.



3. ALBUMIN

Healthy range: 35-52 g/L.

Albumin is a protein created by the liver. Albumin values can reflect liver or kidney issues.


4. Alkaline phosphatase

Healthy range: 40 - 129.00 U/L

This enzyme is involved in both liver and bone, so elevations may indicate problems with the liver or bone-related disease.


5. Bilirubin

Healthy range: < 7 mmol/L

This provides details about liver and kidney functions, problems in bile ducts, and anemia.


6. BUN (blood urea nitrogen)

Healthy range: 2.5 - 8.0 mmol/L

This is another measure of kidney and liver functions. High values may indicate a problem with kidney function. A number of medications and a diet high in protein can increase these levels drastically.


7. Calcium

Healthy range: 2.18 - 2.58 mmol/L

Too much calcium in the bloodstream could indicate kidney problems; overly active thyroid or certain types of cancer, problems with the pancreas; and deficiencies of vitamin D.


8. Chloride

Healthy range: 95 - 108 mmol/L

This mineral is measured as part of an electrolyte panel. A diet high in salt or certain medications are often responsible for higher values. Too much chloride may also mean the body is in an acidic state. It could also be an indication of dehydration, kidney disorders, or adrenal gland issues.


9. Creatinine

Healthy range: 60 - 110 umol/L

The kidneys process this waste product, so elevations could indicate a problem with kidney function.

- high levels of creatinine are caused by breakdown of muscle tissue. If you have extremely elevated levels of creatinine your kidneys can become unable to process them effectively leading to kidney damage, a condition called rhabdomyalisis. It IS possible to have such an intense workout that it leads to rhabdo, although it is rare, it is something to watch out for. High AST and ALT levels can also be indicators of this condition. Other symptoms including severe swelling at the muscle site, confusion, decrease in urine production, nausea, vomiting.


10. Glucose Serum Random

Healthy range: 3.6 - 7.00 mmol/L for the average healthy adult

Blood sugar levels can be affected by food or beverages you have ingested, your current stress levels, medications, and the time of day.


11. GLUCOSE FASTING

Healthy range: 3.3 - 5.8 mmol/L

This test is completed after at least 6-8 hours without food or drink other than water.


12. Phosphorus

Healthy range: 0.8 - 1.5 mmol/L

Phosphorus plays an important role in bone health and is related to calcium levels. Too much phosphorus could indicate a problem with kidneys or the parathyroid gland.


13. Potassium

Healthy range: 3.5 - 5.0 mmol/L

This mineral is essential for relaying nerve impulses, maintaining proper muscle functions, and regulating heartbeats.

Diuretics, drugs that are often taken for high blood pressure, can cause low levels of potassium.


14. Sodium

Healthy range: 135 - 145 mmol/L

A part of the electrolyte group, this mineral aids your body balance water and helps with nerve impulses and muscle contractions. Irregular values may be as a result of dehydration; adrenal glands not operating properly ; too much salt, corticosteroids, or pain-relieving medications; or problems with the liver or kidneys.

- If your potassium and sodium are low you may want to consider supplementing with electrolyte drinks. Bananas are good too. If you are on a keto diet or carb cycling sodium is likely to be in the lower than normal range, for this reason it is recommended that you add just a touch of sea salt to some meals while on those diet protocols.

- It is important to maintain a balance of these nutrients in the body as they assist us in many crucial bodily functions, including proper heartbeat and muscular contraction.



15. Lipid Panel

These tests measure types of cholesterol and triglycerides in the bloodstream.

Total cholesterol
- Healthy range : below 5.18 mmol/L
- Mid high 5.2 to 6.2 mmol/L
- High Anything more than 6.2 mmol/L

This test measures combined levels of both LDL (bad) and HDL (good) cholesterol.


16. Triglycerides

Healthy range: < 1.7 mmol/L

These fats are found in the bloodstream and may lead to heart disease


17. HDL (Good) cholesterol)

Healthy range: < 0.9mmol/L

This is good cholesterol, HDL protects against heart disease.


18. LDL (Bad) cholesterol

Healthy range: < 3.37 mmol/L low risk

<2.0 mmol/L high risk

Bad cholesterol, LDL, clogs arteries and is related to heart disease.

- Hormones can decrease your good cholesterol levels and increase your bad cholesterol levels. If elevation occurs over a short period of time it?s not a huge issue, however long term cholesterol issues can lead to heart disease, heart attack and other not so good issues. There are many methods to preserve healthy cholesterol levels on the forums here.


19. Complete Blood Count (CBC)

The CBC test examines cellular elements in the blood - red blood cells, white blood cells, and platelets.


20. WBC (white blood cell) leukocyte count

Normal range: 4,300 to 10,800 cmm

White blood cells assist the body in fighting off infections. Higher values white could be helpful for identifying infections. I


21. WBC (white blood cell) differential count

Normal range:
- Neutrophils 55% - 70 %
- Lymphocytes 20% - 40 %
- Monocytes 2% - 8%
- Eosinophils 1% - 4%
- Basophils 0.5% - 1 %

This test measures the numbers, shapes, and sizes of the white blood cells that are listed above.

An increase in WBC's can indicate infection issues. Studies have also found that esters of certain steroids, most noticeably Test Enanthate can also lead to increased WBC counts

Interestingly enough steroid use can also lead to low WBC numbers. Low B12, over training and hypothyroidism can also lead to lowered WBC counts.

If you are currently using Clenbuterol it can lead to a change in your WBC counts. While it changes the ratio of WBC's it does not lead to low WBC counts. If you are using Clen while or recently prior to a test this will likely explain these anomalies.



22. RBC (red blood cell) erythrocyte count

Normal range: 4.2 to 5.9 million

This test measures the number of RBCs in a specific amount of blood. It helps us determine the total number of RBCs and gives us an idea of their lifespan. It gives no information where problems originate.


23. Hematocrit

Normal range: 0.39-0.49 l/l

Helpful in diagnosing anemia, this test determines how much of the total blood volume in the body consists of red blood cells.

- Hormones are quite capable of increasing hematocrit values. If your hematocrit is high it can eventually lead to thickening of the blood, increased blood pressure. One way to treat a high hematocrit is very simple, go donate blood and it should take care of the problem.


24. Hemoglobin

Normal range: 129 - 165 g/L

Red blood cells contain hemoglobin, which is responsible for giving blood it’s bright red colour. Hemoglobin delivers oxygen from the lungs to the whole body. From this point, it returns to the lungs with carbon dioxide, which we exhale. Low levels of hemoglobin may be helpful in diagnosing anemia.

Again, hormone use can increase hemoglobin ratings. This is fairly normal and can be mediated by blood donation.


25. Mean Corpuscular Volume (MCV)

Normal range: 80 to 100 femtoliters

This test measures the average volume of red blood cells. Irregularities could indicate anemia and CFS ( chronic fatigue syndrome)


26. Mean Corpuscular hemoglobin (MCH)

Normal range: 27 to 32 picograms

This test measures the average amount of hemoglobin in the typical red blood cell. High values could be linked to anemia. Values which are too low may be as a result of a nutritional deficiency.


27. Mean Corpuscular Hemoglobin Concentration (MCHC)

Normal range: 313-344 g/L

The MCHC test reports the average concentration of hemoglobin in an amount of red blood cells. Possible anemia if the count is low, or possible nutritional deficiencies if values are shown to be too high.


28. Platelets

Normal range: 150,000 to 400,000 mL

Platelets are small portions of cells involved in blood clotting. Too many or too few platelets can affect clotting in different ways. The number of platelets may also indicate a health condition.

Hormone use has been known to decrease platelet levels. An early sign of low platelet levels is an increase in bruises or noticing that you bruise more easily than you used too. This indicates that your platelets are low and are not clotting as effectively as they normally do. Platelets are important to monitor as, if they are too low, you can have difficulties with your blood clotting effectively if you are injured. High levels of Vitamin E and Fish Oil, along with low fat diets and regular lifting can also lead to a somewhat reduced count. Unless this is pretty low and you are noticing significantly increased bruising it is likely not an issue.


29. Mean Platelet Volume (MPV)

Normal range: 7.5 to 11.5 femtoliters

This test measures and calculates the average size of platelets. Higher MPVs mean the platelets are larger, which could put an individual at risk for a heart attack.


30. Testosterone

Normal Results: 7.6 - 31.4 nmol/L

- in general if you are on hormones your test values should be way outside normal range. Most labs will stop counting greater than 200


31. Estradiol

This measures the most common type of estrogen.

Normal Result

- In males on AAS a range between 10 and 30 is appropriate, although some say that 99% of people don't develop gyno until about 40. Between 15 and 25 is even better.


32. FERRITIN

Normal Range: 24 - 453 ug/L

Diets high in red meat can raise your iron count. A surprise source of iron is many breakfast cereals which are 'fortified with iron' and can lead to higher levels if ingested regularly. High iron levels are generally not a huge concern, but extremely high levels can lead to problems with the liver and kidneys. If your iron level is high it can be lowered either by dietary adjustment or by donating blood.

Diets low in red meat or other iron sources will lead to decreased iron counts in the blood. If you are only eating chicken and fish and your iron levels come back low it shouldn't surprise you.


33. Uric Acid

I get them checked all in one test ? One before and one after cycle?
 

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The most relevant post about bloodwork says to check markers below

1. HIGH SENSITIVITY CRP (or C-Reactive Protein)

Healthy range: < -3.00 mg/L

This test is an indicator of inflammation in the body


2. ALT (alanine transferase)

Healthy range: 17 - 63 U/L

This test evaluates levels of liver enzymes.

- Use of hormones, especially oral hormones, can lead to increases in these values.
- Strenuous exercise, especially in close time relation to testing can also increase these values.
- Common pain relievers including Ibuprofen (Advil), Acetaminophen (Tylenol) and other such medications can lead to an increase in these findings.



3. ALBUMIN

Healthy range: 35-52 g/L.

Albumin is a protein created by the liver. Albumin values can reflect liver or kidney issues.


4. Alkaline phosphatase

Healthy range: 40 - 129.00 U/L

This enzyme is involved in both liver and bone, so elevations may indicate problems with the liver or bone-related disease.


5. Bilirubin

Healthy range: < 7 mmol/L

This provides details about liver and kidney functions, problems in bile ducts, and anemia.


6. BUN (blood urea nitrogen)

Healthy range: 2.5 - 8.0 mmol/L

This is another measure of kidney and liver functions. High values may indicate a problem with kidney function. A number of medications and a diet high in protein can increase these levels drastically.


7. Calcium

Healthy range: 2.18 - 2.58 mmol/L

Too much calcium in the bloodstream could indicate kidney problems; overly active thyroid or certain types of cancer, problems with the pancreas; and deficiencies of vitamin D.


8. Chloride

Healthy range: 95 - 108 mmol/L

This mineral is measured as part of an electrolyte panel. A diet high in salt or certain medications are often responsible for higher values. Too much chloride may also mean the body is in an acidic state. It could also be an indication of dehydration, kidney disorders, or adrenal gland issues.


9. Creatinine

Healthy range: 60 - 110 umol/L

The kidneys process this waste product, so elevations could indicate a problem with kidney function.

- high levels of creatinine are caused by breakdown of muscle tissue. If you have extremely elevated levels of creatinine your kidneys can become unable to process them effectively leading to kidney damage, a condition called rhabdomyalisis. It IS possible to have such an intense workout that it leads to rhabdo, although it is rare, it is something to watch out for. High AST and ALT levels can also be indicators of this condition. Other symptoms including severe swelling at the muscle site, confusion, decrease in urine production, nausea, vomiting.


10. Glucose Serum Random

Healthy range: 3.6 - 7.00 mmol/L for the average healthy adult

Blood sugar levels can be affected by food or beverages you have ingested, your current stress levels, medications, and the time of day.


11. GLUCOSE FASTING

Healthy range: 3.3 - 5.8 mmol/L

This test is completed after at least 6-8 hours without food or drink other than water.


12. Phosphorus

Healthy range: 0.8 - 1.5 mmol/L

Phosphorus plays an important role in bone health and is related to calcium levels. Too much phosphorus could indicate a problem with kidneys or the parathyroid gland.


13. Potassium

Healthy range: 3.5 - 5.0 mmol/L

This mineral is essential for relaying nerve impulses, maintaining proper muscle functions, and regulating heartbeats.

Diuretics, drugs that are often taken for high blood pressure, can cause low levels of potassium.


14. Sodium

Healthy range: 135 - 145 mmol/L

A part of the electrolyte group, this mineral aids your body balance water and helps with nerve impulses and muscle contractions. Irregular values may be as a result of dehydration; adrenal glands not operating properly ; too much salt, corticosteroids, or pain-relieving medications; or problems with the liver or kidneys.

- If your potassium and sodium are low you may want to consider supplementing with electrolyte drinks. Bananas are good too. If you are on a keto diet or carb cycling sodium is likely to be in the lower than normal range, for this reason it is recommended that you add just a touch of sea salt to some meals while on those diet protocols.

- It is important to maintain a balance of these nutrients in the body as they assist us in many crucial bodily functions, including proper heartbeat and muscular contraction.



15. Lipid Panel

These tests measure types of cholesterol and triglycerides in the bloodstream.

Total cholesterol
- Healthy range : below 5.18 mmol/L
- Mid high 5.2 to 6.2 mmol/L
- High Anything more than 6.2 mmol/L

This test measures combined levels of both LDL (bad) and HDL (good) cholesterol.


16. Triglycerides

Healthy range: < 1.7 mmol/L

These fats are found in the bloodstream and may lead to heart disease


17. HDL (Good) cholesterol)

Healthy range: < 0.9mmol/L

This is good cholesterol, HDL protects against heart disease.


18. LDL (Bad) cholesterol

Healthy range: < 3.37 mmol/L low risk

<2.0 mmol/L high risk

Bad cholesterol, LDL, clogs arteries and is related to heart disease.

- Hormones can decrease your good cholesterol levels and increase your bad cholesterol levels. If elevation occurs over a short period of time it?s not a huge issue, however long term cholesterol issues can lead to heart disease, heart attack and other not so good issues. There are many methods to preserve healthy cholesterol levels on the forums here.


19. Complete Blood Count (CBC)

The CBC test examines cellular elements in the blood - red blood cells, white blood cells, and platelets.


20. WBC (white blood cell) leukocyte count

Normal range: 4,300 to 10,800 cmm

White blood cells assist the body in fighting off infections. Higher values white could be helpful for identifying infections. I


21. WBC (white blood cell) differential count

Normal range:
- Neutrophils 55% - 70 %
- Lymphocytes 20% - 40 %
- Monocytes 2% - 8%
- Eosinophils 1% - 4%
- Basophils 0.5% - 1 %

This test measures the numbers, shapes, and sizes of the white blood cells that are listed above.

An increase in WBC's can indicate infection issues. Studies have also found that esters of certain steroids, most noticeably Test Enanthate can also lead to increased WBC counts

Interestingly enough steroid use can also lead to low WBC numbers. Low B12, over training and hypothyroidism can also lead to lowered WBC counts.

If you are currently using Clenbuterol it can lead to a change in your WBC counts. While it changes the ratio of WBC's it does not lead to low WBC counts. If you are using Clen while or recently prior to a test this will likely explain these anomalies.



22. RBC (red blood cell) erythrocyte count

Normal range: 4.2 to 5.9 million

This test measures the number of RBCs in a specific amount of blood. It helps us determine the total number of RBCs and gives us an idea of their lifespan. It gives no information where problems originate.


23. Hematocrit

Normal range: 0.39-0.49 l/l

Helpful in diagnosing anemia, this test determines how much of the total blood volume in the body consists of red blood cells.

- Hormones are quite capable of increasing hematocrit values. If your hematocrit is high it can eventually lead to thickening of the blood, increased blood pressure. One way to treat a high hematocrit is very simple, go donate blood and it should take care of the problem.


24. Hemoglobin

Normal range: 129 - 165 g/L

Red blood cells contain hemoglobin, which is responsible for giving blood it’s bright red colour. Hemoglobin delivers oxygen from the lungs to the whole body. From this point, it returns to the lungs with carbon dioxide, which we exhale. Low levels of hemoglobin may be helpful in diagnosing anemia.

Again, hormone use can increase hemoglobin ratings. This is fairly normal and can be mediated by blood donation.


25. Mean Corpuscular Volume (MCV)

Normal range: 80 to 100 femtoliters

This test measures the average volume of red blood cells. Irregularities could indicate anemia and CFS ( chronic fatigue syndrome)


26. Mean Corpuscular hemoglobin (MCH)

Normal range: 27 to 32 picograms

This test measures the average amount of hemoglobin in the typical red blood cell. High values could be linked to anemia. Values which are too low may be as a result of a nutritional deficiency.


27. Mean Corpuscular Hemoglobin Concentration (MCHC)

Normal range: 313-344 g/L

The MCHC test reports the average concentration of hemoglobin in an amount of red blood cells. Possible anemia if the count is low, or possible nutritional deficiencies if values are shown to be too high.


28. Platelets

Normal range: 150,000 to 400,000 mL

Platelets are small portions of cells involved in blood clotting. Too many or too few platelets can affect clotting in different ways. The number of platelets may also indicate a health condition.

Hormone use has been known to decrease platelet levels. An early sign of low platelet levels is an increase in bruises or noticing that you bruise more easily than you used too. This indicates that your platelets are low and are not clotting as effectively as they normally do. Platelets are important to monitor as, if they are too low, you can have difficulties with your blood clotting effectively if you are injured. High levels of Vitamin E and Fish Oil, along with low fat diets and regular lifting can also lead to a somewhat reduced count. Unless this is pretty low and you are noticing significantly increased bruising it is likely not an issue.


29. Mean Platelet Volume (MPV)

Normal range: 7.5 to 11.5 femtoliters

This test measures and calculates the average size of platelets. Higher MPVs mean the platelets are larger, which could put an individual at risk for a heart attack.


30. Testosterone

Normal Results: 7.6 - 31.4 nmol/L

- in general if you are on hormones your test values should be way outside normal range. Most labs will stop counting greater than 200


31. Estradiol

This measures the most common type of estrogen.

Normal Result

- In males on AAS a range between 10 and 30 is appropriate, although some say that 99% of people don't develop gyno until about 40. Between 15 and 25 is even better.


32. FERRITIN

Normal Range: 24 - 453 ug/L

Diets high in red meat can raise your iron count. A surprise source of iron is many breakfast cereals which are 'fortified with iron' and can lead to higher levels if ingested regularly. High iron levels are generally not a huge concern, but extremely high levels can lead to problems with the liver and kidneys. If your iron level is high it can be lowered either by dietary adjustment or by donating blood.

Diets low in red meat or other iron sources will lead to decreased iron counts in the blood. If you are only eating chicken and fish and your iron levels come back low it shouldn't surprise you.


33. Uric Acid

I get them checked all in one test ? One before and one after cycle?
Ideally you'd want to get the majority of those checked before, mid and after cycle. Some may disagree but I'd say some of those markers may not be a big deal since you are running a mild dose for a short amount of time...
 

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Hello,

I am planning my First cycle i went through the different threads gathered some precious informations(really thank you all).

Now before Starting i want some advice especially about the PCT to avoid making tragic mistakes.

Here is my program of test enanthate for 12w:

Week 1-2: 125 mg /w
Week 3-10: 250mg/w
week 11: 100mg/w
Week 12: 50mg/w

I'll start PCT protocole Seven Days after my last pin

0,1ml of HCG for 10 days
followed by 20mg nolvadex for 21 Days

is my PCT well suited for my cycle? Am i overkilling it or not doing enough?
Thanks guys
What's the food look like
 

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What's the food look like
Morning : protein shake + BCAA + vitamin compound + 1 Banana
After workout: Protein shake + Coffee
meal 1: Brown rice + chicken breasts
meal 2: Potatoes + chicken breasts
meal 3: more a snack consisting of 3 tuna cans + 2 ham sandwiches
meal 4: a vegetable mix + fish
meal 5: grilled meat
protein shake before sleep
 

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Morning : protein shake + BCAA + vitamin compound + 1 Banana
After workout: Protein shake + Coffee
meal 1: Brown rice + chicken breasts
meal 2: Potatoes + chicken breasts
meal 3: more a snack consisting of 3 tuna cans + 2 ham sandwiches
meal 4: a vegetable mix + fish
meal 5: grilled meat
protein shake before sleep
There are no quantities here. Other than a lot of protein shakes
 

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Do it for a solid 6 months and then you’ll know where you are at cal, protein and fats carbs
I don’t anymore but it’s easy to estimate a ribeye, breast etc
Should I use an app like UA fitness pal?
You scan the barcode of your food and gives the amount of everything in your food
 

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@mikespencer 250-500mg Test / week.

Followed by:

5000iu E4days of HCG (5 bottles = 20 days), next day start
50mg AM Clomid / 50mg PM Clomid (14 days)

- PacMan
How much bacteriostatic water Do you add to your HCG?
Do you take it all un one injection?
Should IT be a subcutanous or intramuscular injection ?
 

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never weighted the amount of food I am cooking, may be i should start with that
You should know what you're getting in roughly for calories. This will play a major roll in actually achieving your physique goals. Whether it be cutting or bulking, or maintenance. Once you weigh your meats for a little while, you can basically just start eye-balling portions and be accurate enough I find. Same with using cups, tablespoons...You really only have to measure for a couple months very precisely, then you can eyeball most things, unless you're unsure of the food. But if you mainly eat a handful of basic stuff that doesn't change a whole lot...It makes things WAY EASIER.
 
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