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6 weeks after I started TRT I felt great. I have to admit I went from zero libido to super drive. I use to have a nap after work. No naps anymore. Apperenally I was pretty cranky and tended to snap over little things. Pretty mellow now. Appetite and gains all went up.

Fast forward a year later. All good. Still feel great. Just want a little more weight on the frame so I'm doubling my dose. Maybe I'm chasing the dragon?
You are not chasing anything. 200 mg a week is considered nothing among gear users. :)
 

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6 weeks after I started TRT I felt great. I have to admit I went from zero libido to super drive. I use to have a nap after work. No naps anymore. Apperenally I was pretty cranky and tended to snap over little things. Pretty mellow now. Appetite and gains all went up.

Fast forward a year later. All good. Still feel great. Just want a little more weight on the frame so I'm doubling my dose. Maybe I'm chasing the dragon?

I would get a DR to check Estro at 200mg per/w! I personally need HCG even at 80mg per/w! AS for the dragon it's a blast man enjoy it but be cautious of sides! You have taken it slow and steady (Its the best way man) Some ppl need 500mg per week and others are happy with 200mg! Less sides! :)

Merry XMas
 

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I would get a DR to check Estro at 200mg per/w! I personally need HCG even at 80mg per/w! AS for the dragon it's a blast man enjoy it but be cautious of sides! You have taken it slow and steady (Its the best way man) Some ppl need 500mg per week and others are happy with 200mg! Less sides! :)

Merry XMas
Thank you. And to you and yours.

Yes I will be getting labs soon. I've read a lot about estrogen and it's over the place as to body type & dose etc. I've always been pretty lean so I'm hoping that will be in my favour on such a low dose. One thing I have notice in week 3 @ 200mg is my knees don't hurt anymore. Very interesting indeed.
 

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I would get a DR to check Estro at 200mg per/w! I personally need HCG even at 80mg per/w! AS for the dragon it's a blast man enjoy it but be cautious of sides! You have taken it slow and steady (Its the best way man) Some ppl need 500mg per week and others are happy with 200mg! Less sides! :)

Merry XMas
I’m going to assume you mean you need an ai at 80 mg a week, not hcg?
 

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Thank you. And to you and yours.

Yes I will be getting labs soon. I've read a lot about estrogen and it's over the place as to body type & dose etc. I've always been pretty lean so I'm hoping that will be in my favour on such a low dose. One thing I have notice in week 3 @ 200mg is my knees don't hurt anymore. Very interesting indeed.
You are using double the amount of test you normally produce. The extra estrogen will lubricate your joints a bit with fluid retention. Plus your bodies ability to heal increases. Anything over 200 I find my joints hurt agsin. So it seems there is a sweet spot.
 

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You are using double the amount of test you normally produce. The extra estrogen will lubricate your joints a bit with fluid retention. Plus your bodies ability to heal increases. Anything over 200 I find my joints hurt agsin. So it seems there is a sweet spot.
Knowing everyone is different..Did you find any need for AI in and around the 200mg dose? I have no signs of any issues I've read about.
 

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Knowing everyone is different..Did you find any need for AI in and around the 200mg dose? I have no signs of any issues I've read about.
If you not having any sides and your on DR prescribed it wont hurt to ask your Dr to add E2 to your next bloods!
 

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Knowing everyone is different..Did you find any need for AI in and around the 200mg dose? I have no signs of any issues I've read about.
Depends on what you call sides?
I’ve ran 300 mg not using an ai, but then I get a bit of tiny arm pimples, maybe back of the neck and in the chest cleavage, lol. I will look a bit bulky and my face gets thicker.
But my dick works fine not perfect, but fine and other than if I see something heart wrenching in tv, I don’t feel the need to cry.

I do 200 mg for my hrt and I sometimes use Adex, sometimes don’t for weeks, depends on how horney I want to be. If I want to be really horney every day then I’ll rake 1/2 mg twice a week day after my shot. If I just want to be normal then I don’t bother. I have some small blackheads or tiny, tiny pimples in my chest cleavage, lol, sry, and on the back of my neck, but it doesn't bother me because when I was young I had a rough go at blackheads, have some scaring under my chin.

Also over time you will get less acne. Grandpas thylox sulphur soap worked wonders for me, it’s on vitacost.

Buy some cialis or viagra from your gear supplier and if you fuck up your estrogen experimenting, you’ll still be fine. Cialis is my favorite because you can take it the bang whenever you want over the next 48 hours and get great wood, viagra you have to take an hour before and it only lasts a couple hours. Damn take some cialis anyways, make it bigger I believe, it’s like a dangerous weapon, just be warned it’s hard to be normal after, just like gear, lol.

I do know that estrogen will increase over time. It is the most annoying thing to control, what works this week is no good in a month on the same amount of gear. My thought is too many other things effect estrogen, like food, you fat levels, stress and so on. So good luck getting it perfect. I gave up on that thought years ago. Now I just get it to a point where I feel right. I could drop my dose to 125 mg a week and my estrogen would likely be perfect, but fuck who wants to feel like they do on 125 mg, bwahaaa. I like feeling 20 on the inside.
 

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Depends on what you call sides?
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Estrogen sides but you covered many more. Great information. Thanks for taking the time to share that. I did buy a BP machine today and the first test scared the shit out of me so will see what data I get back from it over the next few days.
 

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Estrogen sides but you covered many more. Great information. Thanks for taking the time to share that. I did buy a BP machine today and the first test scared the shit out of me so will see what data I get back from it over the next few days.

When you check your BP test it x3 in a row waiting 2min in-between then take the average number! The first one is always high brother! As for estrogen again I had to drop from 100mg per week to 80mg per week. I've ran soooo many cycles in my life 400mg per week Test Enth I feel great but need AIs! I do not want to have to take AIs on my TRT so I opted out on lower sustainable dose! Too each their own!
 

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Depends on what you call sides?
I’ve ran 300 mg not using an ai, but then I get a bit of tiny arm pimples, maybe back of the neck and in the chest cleavage, lol. I will look a bit bulky and my face gets thicker.
But my dick works fine not perfect, but fine and other than if I see something heart wrenching in tv, I don’t feel the need to cry.

I do 200 mg for my hrt and I sometimes use Adex, sometimes don’t for weeks, depends on how horney I want to be. If I want to be really horney every day then I’ll rake 1/2 mg twice a week day after my shot. If I just want to be normal then I don’t bother. I have some small blackheads or tiny, tiny pimples in my chest cleavage, lol, sry, and on the back of my neck, but it doesn't bother me because when I was young I had a rough go at blackheads, have some scaring under my chin.

Also over time you will get less acne. Grandpas thylox sulphur soap worked wonders for me, it’s on vitacost.

Buy some cialis or viagra from your gear supplier and if you fuck up your estrogen experimenting, you’ll still be fine. Cialis is my favorite because you can take it the bang whenever you want over the next 48 hours and get great wood, viagra you have to take an hour before and it only lasts a couple hours. Damn take some cialis anyways, make it bigger I believe, it’s like a dangerous weapon, just be warned it’s hard to be normal after, just like gear, lol.

I do know that estrogen will increase over time. It is the most annoying thing to control, what works this week is no good in a month on the same amount of gear. My thought is too many other things effect estrogen, like food, you fat levels, stress and so on. So good luck getting it perfect. I gave up on that thought years ago. Now I just get it to a point where I feel right. I could drop my dose to 125 mg a week and my estrogen would likely be perfect, but fuck who wants to feel like they do on 125 mg, bwahaaa. I like feeling 20 on the inside.

Have you ever tried Saw Palmetto for lowering DHT? Or another natural remedy for DHT?
 

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Estrogen sides but you covered many more. Great information. Thanks for taking the time to share that. I did buy a BP machine today and the first test scared the shit out of me so will see what data I get back from it over the next few days.
I like when my blood pressure is 120ish over 70 ish. It would be better to b under 120, but as I grow more muscle the higher it becomes.
 

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A short clip from end of July. Just before I went back down to my TRT. Biggest and heaviest of my life. 160lbs. Small potatoes for most. Huge for me. Lost the abs. Not that matters. Really like to improve my chest but torn shoulder tendon doesn't help. I have to remind myself I'm not 25 years old anymore.

Blood Pressure remained normal & stabled throughout cycle. Acne not a problem with the 10mg iso EOD. Eveything went great and felt great. All in all very happy with the gains for a light/ moderate cycle. Going to doc for post blood work in 2 weeks.

Edit...Got Camera shy ... ;-)
 
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Great work! Added size, definition and vascularity on not a lot of test.

I’m with @Sorbate that tracking BP is so important. I’m 60 and when I experiment with different supplements I can see the corresponding rise/fall in BP... then make an informed consent, if it’s worth it.

Thanks for the motivation and inspiration!
 

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-- Just seeing this thread for the first time. I'm not sure how I missed it the first time around? Well done Les. An inspirational post and awesome to see an update! Keep at it and you'll be sailing easy well into the golden years.
 

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Keep it up, get more consistent with your training and diet. You’ll be a god soon, lol.
You will notice weird things, like I was getting a massage and locked my keys in my car, 3 different woman at the massage clinic that were customers (strangers to me) offered to give me a ride home. They were around my age.
When you are in good shape around 50, you get more attention.
 
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