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Hey all -

I'll be posting here every Monday with weekly updates, recipes, experiences, etc etc. etc. to keep you all up to date on my foray into the 100% fresh, Plant based, non-processed, Whole Food nutrition/diet lifestyle.

As mentioned in an alternate post - because of my wife's ongoing health issues, her doctor recommended trying the 100% Plant Based, whole food diet.
I joined with her...as it's easier to change together than it is alone, and I'm a supportive husband and want to help her when/where I can.
Since there are plenty of Vegan Protein powders out there, and lots of options for foods and supplements - I decided that I would take this journey along with her a) for support b) for experimentation purposes and c) for my own health (as many studies are showing that a plant based diet is cleaner and healthier in general and the ONLY way to combat chronic inflammation and heart disease related issues).

Especially timely, since we made this transition a little over a month ago now, her father has since passed away. Cause of death - complications of heart disease, clogged arteries, hypertension and obesity. Now - his diet was shit, and he was not active (other than golf) and was about 300lbs so at 6'1" was well into "morbid obesity".

This thread is meant as a log, learning tool, sharing tool and chance for me to share what I'm experiencing and learning.

IT IS NOT a place to bash veganism, plant based eating or other diet based lifestyle choices.
I am NOT bashing any other way of living and eating, I love my steak and chicken and ribs as much as the next guy; but I'm keeping an open mind and I'm going to give this a good, fair trial for 6 months or more to see how my body really reacts to this type of diet.

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE - "if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say nothing at all".
I know that many are skeptical and adamant that this lifestyle/diet are not healthy and an abomination.
I'm not here to prove you right or wrong. I just want to share.
So please - I'll look forward to thoughtful questions, comments, and observations - but I will not respond to any haters.
As I said: I'm not on a mission to change anyone's mind, change anyone's life or otherwise.
I just want to log my journey and share my experiences. This is a personal choice, and I think an interesting experiment in diet/nutrition.

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Nice to see you officially start this thread @asashouryu

My wife has also switched over now on a trial basis, but will try to maintain a 80/20 rule...meaning if we are at my parents or other company for dinner once or twice a month she will have the salmon or steak entree instead of her usual vegan meal.

I also appreciate and respect you stating boundaries for feedback, and to keeping it positive.
 

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I know I'm behind, and today isn't Monday -

But initial reactions, after a month on the diet are thus:
I lost 5lbs within the first week.
No change in Muscle mass, according to my body mass analyzer scale.
I've lost a combination of fat/water.
This weight loss was above what my already caloric deficit was producing (about 1-1.5 lbs/week)

No change in strength.
In fact I've pulled new PR's in squat press and deadlift in the last month while being on this diet.

Energy is up.
I feel "lighter". It's hard to explain but my guts don't feel as full/heavy as they did previously and my bowel movements are more consistent, regular and well timed.(every mornig within 30 minutes of waking...was always pretty regular anyway, but it's even better now)

Energy through the day is more even and I don't get dips.
More stamina for cardio and more stamina for weights in general.
More stamina in the bedroom and erections are harder, stronger and thicker. (even without use of any pharma)

Need for coffee/stimulants is down.

My skin is clearer. I am on TrT dose of TestCyp at 175mg/week (1x/week) and I have noticed after about 1 year on my weekly dose that I would occasionally get slightly oilier skin than normal and the occasional white head on my face/nose and upper back/traps.
That seems to have dissipated.

I've got several injuries: RSI in my right hand/wrist as well as my left knee and my back.
BOTH joints I have marked improvement in pain level and inflamation.
I haven't had to use any creams/rubs/salves on my knew in the past month and my hand/wrist is much better. I would say probably a 75% reduction in pain and have only had to use a cream/rub 3 times in the past month and a bit.
NO change in my back pain...however I did slip/fall on some black ice about 2 weeks ago and I pulled/strained something in my lower back so it's been worse than normal.

BP is down. (just based on pharmacy cuffs and the cuff at the gym).
I expect cholesterol will be down as well - but will be going for a full physical in about 2 months time so will be better equiped with numbers and be able to compare to this time last year.

I'm definitely sleeping better.

My Wife: Within a week noticed a difference in her Asthma! In fact it's gotten so good that she has forgotten to take her daily inhaler on several occasions and has not had any adverse side affects or attacks.
She DID however, eat some cheese (in the form of philly cheese spread) that she found at the back of the fridge and didn't want to wast so had probably a tbps or two on toast and immediately had an asthma attack!

She has also noticed that the arthritis in her hand and knees has improved. (less pain, less swelling)
More energy, lighter feeling, stamina improvements and I have noticed a marked increase in sexual fluid production (both lubricating and expulsion types)

Her abdominal pain syndrome seems to have dissipated/disappeared. She hasn't had a flare up/issue in the past month. Fat no longer seems to be bothering her (seemed to be a trigger before, but avocados, coconut oils, olive oil, nuts aren't having any impact)

The drawbacks -
LOTS of farts. Not necessarily stinky but more than I usually did.
I seem to be hungry more often
I feel that even though I have lost body fat (and continue to do so) I look less "shredded". I seem to be holding more sub-cutaneous fluid on this diet and as such feel a little less "ripped" but this is purely cosmetic as I had mentioned I know for a fact I have not lost any muscle mass.

So that's the first report.
I'll post again next Monday!
Thanks for reading!
 
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Awesome man. Thanks for sharing. I’m excited to see how it goes.
Good luck with it
I should ask for the sake of science.
What was your diet like before the change? To that I mean are you eliminating so many things we won’t be able to draw any liks? ie there were lots of sugars, grains, processed foods and meats.
 

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Awesome man. Thanks for sharing. I’m excited to see how it goes.
Good luck with it
I should ask for the sake of science.
What was your diet like before the change? To that I mean are you eliminating so many things we won’t be able to draw any liks? ie there were lots of sugars, grains, processed foods and meats.
Fair question.
My diet pre-change was very high in fresh fruits/veg.
Low in any processed carbs.
White rice, basmati rice, wild rice, brown rice.
Low fat chicken filets, lots of fish, pork tenderloin, shrimp, turkey, and a nice filet mignon 1/month, as well as ground lamb, also ostrich, boar, and any other wild game I could get my hands on.
Little to no sugar. (we had eliminated it about 8 months back)
No dairy as I'm allergic. (occasionally would enjoy some cheese if I took lactaid pills...but generally avoided as it hurt my guts(

We ate very clean previously.
High protein, low carb, medium fat.

Now is medium fat, higher carb, lower protein and all sources are from plant based sources.
 
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So any changes you see can pretty much be totally contributed to the change in protein sources.
Nice.
 
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@asashouryu so we can’t even make jokes about your losing your man hood thread here?!?! Just fucking with you brother, interested to see how this all pans out. Veganism is just not for me BUT, i’m still open to adding new things to supplement my diet/anti aging protocols. In for the long haul to learn new things.
 

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What other supplements are you taking with your food, or are you trying to get all the macro, micro nutrients from the plant based material?
I always feel lighter if I reduce my protien intake.
Btw enjoy the fibre farts, lol. Take a probiotic to help your guts out to get adjusted. The extra fibre is helping with your bowl movements I bet as well. You’re cholesterol should drop as higher fibre has been proven to dramatically lower cholesterol. I believe that is the reason why mine is so low considering all the fatty meat I eat.

You should post up a sample day of what you eat. Even I may try it. Could you imagine a guy owning s butcher shop that doesn’t eat meat, lol
 

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Ya ...... we got one in town .... It’s just like a butcher shop that has like butcher shop looking items but what is all their is plant-based I think not sure , never been there .....yet 😁
 

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What other supplements are you taking with your food, or are you trying to get all the macro, micro nutrients from the plant based material?
I always feel lighter if I reduce my protien intake.
Btw enjoy the fibre farts, lol. Take a probiotic to help your guts out to get adjusted. The extra fibre is helping with your bowl movements I bet as well. You’re cholesterol should drop as higher fibre has been proven to dramatically lower cholesterol. I believe that is the reason why mine is so low considering all the fatty meat I eat.

You should post up a sample day of what you eat. Even I may try it. Could you imagine a guy owning s butcher shop that doesn’t eat meat, lol
No supplements at all.
Will post a typical eating day on Monday. :)
 

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As promised here is a sample day of what I've been eating.
Obviously every day is different - but this will give you a good idea of how/what is generally going into my body these days.

Breakfast:
Shot of Espresso with coconut milk (11 cals)
Apple Cinnamon Oatmeal Walnut Banana Muffins (home made ~130 cals)
Lunch: Sourdough bread homemade (~150 cals), Smoked Tofu (140 cals), Light vegan mayo (36 cals), Cheese Alternative (70 cals), Mustard (0cals)
Dinner: Home made Minestrone Soup (mixed veg ~254 cals), Elbow macaroni in the soup (~200 cals)
Snacks, timed between meals: Macadamia nuts (137 cals), Brazil nuts (62 cals), cashews (157 cals), dried apple slices (~41 cals), Pea Protein Isolate powder (321 cals), Lentil Chips (130 cals), White bean Hummus (~60 cals), Silken Tofu (added to hummus for texture and added protein ~15cals)
(other breakfasts usually are sourdough toast with avacado and walnuts, or bowl of oatmeal with banana and maple syrup and hemp hearts)

Daily Total: 75g fat, 185g carbs and 134g protein.
Total Calories: 1914 (leaving me with a deficit of 156 cals off my target) HOWEVER: with home-made foods it's difficult to know exactly how much is in each preparation AND I don't always track things like grapefruit juice, or a little treat of a couple candies or some crispy nori or dulce that I might nibble on through the day.
So I like to keep that gap there to act as a buffer.

I will get the vast majority of my vitamins and minerals from the fruit/veg and leafy greens. The B12 (that you can't find in plants comes from the nori/dulce and the "nutritional yeast extract" that is a main ingredient in the "cheese alternative"...or if I eat Vegemite.

We also enjoy lots of curries with lentils/chick peas/eggplant/zucchini/tomatoe etc etc. etc.
And of course there is olive oil as well on days where we have salad, or even as a flavouring oil into mixed vegetable stir frys.
Another main stay of our diet is rice: white, whild, brown. (we have a rice cooker so there is usually some on and waiting for us for quick/easy meals).
This day we had bread and pasta so no need for rice.

As previously mentioned - still feeling strong, looking good and no loss of muscle mass. No lagging energy.
All seems to be very good.
On current diet - I have stopped weight loss at 198lbs and ~18%BF.
I will likely need to play with my macros a bit more to really dial in if I want to "shred out" but I am feeling very good, very strong and looking better than I have in years at this current weight/bf%.
So - the plan is to stay here for the next month or so and see if my body continues to change/recomp and then adjust the macros accordingly to lean out a little more...
 
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Good luck with your vegan diet PSM
I hope it helps your wife feel better and you feel good too
But I'm curious... why no fish ? or maybe an egg ? honestly

I know the diet is for health but I've heard with no colestoral at all in the diet it can cause problems
It's not easy to run a vegan diet and cover all your bases
Maybe a little colestoral would make it easier

-Pewbert
 

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Good luck with your vegan diet PSM
I hope it helps your wife feel better and you feel good too
But I'm curious... why no fish ? or maybe an egg ? honestly

I know the diet is for health but I've heard with no colestoral at all in the diet it can cause problems
It's not easy to run a vegan diet and cover all your bases
Maybe a little colestoral would make it easier

-Pewbert
This isn’t a “strictly vegan” diet - as vegan diets allow you to eat all sorts of processed and tasty but nutrient deficient foods. As well as a “vegan lifestyle” generally also means no using leather, bone, feathers, fur or other animal based products- we don’t care about that at all. My wife LOVES her leather shoes and handbags.
This is doctor supervised, plant based, whole food based. For health and longevity especially aiming to reduce inflammation (systemically speaking) and ANY animal based protein (no matter the source) instantly increases inflammation throughout your body but especially respiratory and circulatory/heart.
This also means no refined sugars and no refined oils (margarines)

That’s not to say I don’t eat a few “vegan junk foods” like the cheese substitute.
And for the time being I’m not including fish or eggs as that is not what this experiment is about.

As per cholesterol and fats - I get plenty from the nuts amd from olive oil, coconut oil and other oils as well as avacados.

it’s a common misconception that you can’t get all the amino acids and vitamins/minerals that you need from a plant based diet; which with the exception of B12, just isn’t true.
 

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That's cool I thought avacados was the only one with cholesterol
I'd feel a lot better with a vegan diet for myself
If I had the eggs and fish option
If you keep on having great workout and hitting PR you'll really be onto something

-Pewbert
 

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Interestingly - I just did some more reading/research and in actual fact plants do not make cholesterol in any significant amounts.
However-cholesterol is not an essential nutrient, your body will make what it needs.
So adding cholesterol into your body via diet is actually bad. (According to many studies, and of course there are many contradictory studies as well)

So yeah - plants have “healthy fats”, which in large amounts will make you fat (because fat is fat) but in smaller, controlled amounts are actually good for you.

So there you go!
 

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Interestingly - I just did some more reading/research and in actual fact plants do not make cholesterol in any significant amounts.
However-cholesterol is not an essential nutrient, your body will make what it needs.
So adding cholesterol into your body via diet is actually bad. (According to many studies, and of course there are many contradictory studies as well)

So yeah - plants have “healthy fats”, which in large amounts will make you fat (because fat is fat) but in smaller, controlled amounts are actually good for you.

So there you go!
im interested to see your blood work. There’s so many contradictory studies out there, it’s hard to even know how to wipe your ass the right way These days lol.
 

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This is an interesting thread. Loved reading this and hope you keep it going. With the big change in diet I was excited to hear you threw up a pr! That was u in the shoutbox killing flat bench right? Goes to show your body not only takes well to this new diet, but your increasing strength! Keep on Pushin!!
 
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Interestingly - I just did some more reading/research and in actual fact plants do not make cholesterol in any significant amounts.
However-cholesterol is not an essential nutrient, your body will make what it needs.
So adding cholesterol into your body via diet is actually bad. (According to many studies, and of course there are many contradictory studies as well)

So yeah - plants have “healthy fats”, which in large amounts will make you fat (because fat is fat) but in smaller, controlled amounts are actually good for you.

So there you go!
Damn I was just going to call you on that lol. No cholesterol in a plant based diet. This is a good thing though and your body will produce all it needs. I don't comment much but I am enjoying this log.
 
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