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Stingy

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sounds like the speech I got from my vet that dry kibble is the only thing i should feed my puppy, apparently Hill's Science Diet is the best food. Ironically its the same food the vet sales. :rolleyes: .. apparently it was formulated to have all the nutrients a puppy requires. and the stew i make for my dogs with organic and grass fed beef is garbage, and doesn't have enough nutrient for my dog lol
Yep, a little kickback and ethics and reason fly right out the window. For what little it's worth, I have read of kickbacks greater than 20%.
 

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Yep, a little kickback and ethics and reason fly right out the window. For what little it's worth, I have read of kickbacks greater than 20%.
If you mean kickbacks for the vets only carrying two brands, of course there is. No different than reps coming into my doctors office and giving him 100 Viagra samples when it was new or Paxil samples when it was new and they get trips to product conferences in warm areas all paid for with a one hour session to attend over a week. This has been known for ever.
In the vets here they carry Royal Canin and Hills. When you have time have a look at the worst rated dog foods and who manufactures them, you will be surprised to learn it is the same companies that make these 'scrip' kibble and wet foods.

I will give Hills credit for one thing. One of my dogs has constant diarrhea and he was a large breed, came to us like this from the breeder. After four weeks of cleaning up diarrhea in his crate and washing him in the tub three times a day and 2 visits to the vet to check for parasites, etc. I was told they couldn't determine what it was. 3 regular vet visits before going to the vet college who have all the specialists and equipment.
Long story short - I tried different dog foods, meats, raw meats, etc. for a week and no change. Our house smelled like shit for a month.

I spent 2,000 at the vet college working with a gastroenterologist who put him through all kinds of tests and finally came back irritable stomach disease - which means they don't know. I read about people having success with Hills gastro with similar issues so tried it as our family couldn't keep lifting a stool covered dog into the tun three times a day as he grew and was now 27 lbs on his way to over 100. In three days his diarrhea stopped and he liked the food.

I fed him this, what I consider crap, for a few weeks so he could get used to normal bathroom routines. With time I added one new food a week - carrots, beef, blueberries, apples, turnip, chicken, etc. The more real human food I put in and removed the Hills the harder his stools became and the more he grew. Slowly I removed it completely but there was a time it had its place to calm his stomach and get it under control. Even to this day he will still get terrible gas or diarrhea and a cup of Hill gastro will help calm his stomach.

While I think most kibble is crap, I see a place for it in short time frames. Use it as a bridge and substitute real foods that aren't processed over time if needed.
 

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Every kind of dry food contains some crap that’s not good for your dog or cat. Raw food is healthier but I don’t feed mine that on a regular basis. I would say Orijen, Acana, Ziwipeak, Taste of the Wild. Probably a few more but that's all I can think of at the mo.
If you look on the Champion website, you will see how they put the orijen and acana together.

Ulitmately it has to be the food that best suits your dog
I`d rather give nothing but raw food but I find it difficult to make sure they get all the vitamins they should.
I would have to say the best food available would be either Orijen or Acana. I would describe it as the closest food to raw in dried format.
Their inclusion of high quality ingredients and no grains does make it a bit more expensive but you do have to feed far less of it compared to other brands.
It has won numerous awards in Canada, and they have standards on the ingredients allowed to be used for dog foods.
 

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Every kind of dry food contains some crap that’s not good for your dog or cat. Raw food is healthier but I don’t feed mine that on a regular basis. I would say Orijen, Acana, Ziwipeak, Taste of the Wild. Probably a few more but that's all I can think of at the mo.

I`d rather give nothing but raw food but I find it difficult to make sure they get all the vitamins they should.
Orijen and Acana are made by the same company - Orijen is a little more expensive and has some better ingredients but both are quality food as far as kibble goes. How many dog foods do you know that are approved for human consumption - orijen is.
 

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Dog Food/feeding tips:
Ask yourself, would you like to eat the same thing for your entire life for every meal?
Are you sure one food you feed is giving your animal what it needs since most people feed one dog food and nothing more?
Why do dogs eat grass or rummage into other food they find - nutrients their body may need and the food isn't providing it?
If you are like me I use dry Orijen but also mix meat, vegetables, berries, and fruit. If your dog is hungry and all you give them is crap dry food, yes they will get excited because they are starving but how much more excited does your dog get when you open the bag of blueberries, cut up some beef or chicken? Mine dance around excitedly and that is what they eat first. They are both past the hand feeding stage so I do use a bowl sometimes. They like it much more because it tastes better and is more nutritious.
Dogs in the wild kill and eat what the kill, they also eat strawberries they find, apples that fall off trees, and whatever is in season whether animals they kill or food that grows. They need a variety of foods because that is how they are supposed to eat.
Dogs work for their food in the wild, it is natural to them and I don't believe in free meals. My dogs work for their food and training is much more rewarding, the dogs are motivated and having more fun. They get praise plus their food. It isn't cruel, it is imitating what life would be like if they were living in the wild.
People say don't bother a dog when they are eating which is ridiculous. If you have kids or if you don't, as puppies you should hand feed them (tough with raw food) but it forms a strong bond and they learn you are the leader of the pack and disperse the food. Children should do it too so dogs don't develop resource guarding and respect the children as being a head of them in the pack. This can be a very dangerous problem if it develops as dogs will attack for what is the most prized possession in the wild - food.

If you rescue an adult dog, obviously don't let your children do this and use common sense. You should be able to put your hand in the bowl and take and give back food at any time and the dog should show no aggression. My Bouvier could bite my hand off if he wanted to but I still regularly take handfuls of his food and feed it to him when we aren't using it for training.

If wanted, I am happy to start little lessons on how to bomb proof your dog so they will come 100% of the time, sit and won't move 100% of the time until you release them, etc. The training is for the dogs safety, it also creates an incredible bond with your animal, and most dogs love to work as they are bored most of the day. I do all the training in this house with our dogs and they choose me to hang out with and on class day which is obedience and/or protection, he somehow knows and starts howling with excitement to get to the car.

Dogs are amazing.
 

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Orijen and Acana are made by the same company - Orijen is a little more expensive and has some better ingredients but both are quality food as far as kibble goes. How many dog foods do you know that are approved for human consumption - orijen is.
I know that. I have fed my cat Orijen and Acana.
 

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I know that. I have fed my cat Orijen and Acana.
sorry MG, I should have made it clear it wasn't addressed to you but to anyone who might read this great thread DD came up with. I think both are good foods was the message with Orijen being slightly better based on my research. I'm sure there are other great companies out there, I just happen to like this company that makes both brands. I have a brother in law who is the most anal person I know and researches the crap out of everything and he feeds his dogs orijen.
Hope all is well.
GR
 

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I just googled acana and it looks good and a little cheaper then orijen but there apparently there is/was a investigation into 16 brands of dog food that possibly cause heart problems. Acana was number 1 on their list with the most possible cases. Curious on peoples thoughts on this.
My St bernard pup is 11 months old and hes over 160 lbs. Was going to switch his food soon to a better kibble and mix in raw meat and veggies.
 

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I just googled acana and it looks good and a little cheaper then orijen but there apparently there is/was a investigation into 16 brands of dog food that possibly cause heart problems. Acana was number 1 on their list with the most possible cases. Curious on peoples thoughts on this.
My St bernard pup is 11 months old and hes over 160 lbs. Was going to switch his food soon to a better kibble and mix in raw meat and veggies.
Yes, specific brands of Orijin and Acana as Orijen has multiple types of food were listed as causing issues in specific breeds. I read the article and the long list of dog foods and the reasoning behind the medical issues and made an informed decision on what I will feed my dogs. This is the info you are referring: https://www.fda.gov/animal-veterinary/outbreaks-and-advisories/fda-investigation-potential-link-between-certain-diets-and-canine-dilated-cardiomyopathy
 

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Yes, specific brands of Orijin and Acana as Orijen has multiple types of food were listed as causing issues in specific breeds. I read the article and the long list of dog foods and the reasoning behind the medical issues and made an informed decision on what I will feed my dogs. This is the info you are referring: https://www.fda.gov/animal-veterinary/outbreaks-and-advisories/fda-investigation-potential-link-between-certain-diets-and-canine-dilated-cardiomyopathy
This page has much more info then the page that i saw. Will dig in further. Thanks
 

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Awesome post G-Rod and great looking pooch

here’s a pic of my German who we will be losing on Wednesday of next week (thank you for the members who personally reached out, it was quite a sad moment when we made the decision)

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I am sorry for your loss dude looks like an absolutely beautiful companion
 

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I know that. I have fed my cat Orijen and Acana.
I have had great luck with those two brands unfortunately my cat got some stress induced bladder issues a year ago and has been on some stupid vet food that I am contemplating the right way to titrate her out of into some wholesome food. I need her to live to 30 man she is my best friend
 

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If you guys and gals are ever looking for great dehydrated bulk treats. Check these guys out from the east coast. Been giving our dogs treats from them for a couple years(never any more boxed processed treats)
Everything is a favourite for them, but they especially like the pork hearts and tripe! You can find their products at some some stores like Can tire but better to order direct from them.
cheers

 

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If you guys and gals are ever looking for great dehydrated bulk treats. Check these guys out from the east coast. Been giving our dogs treats from them for a couple years(never any more boxed processed treats)
Everything is a favourite for them, but they especially like the pork hearts and tripe! You can find their products at some some stores like Can tire but better to order direct from them.
cheers

I just check out the link they look awesome as an option. I know when I had a dog she wasn't all that picky but cats well they are cats and id be interested to see what she likes
 

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I picked up a bag of go right now to slowly start adding to the urinary diet my cats on. I will be checking her litter box a little more closely over the next couple of weeks to see how she takes to it, its the " carnivore " recipe. My hopes are to consistently increase it and decrease the urinary, then ween her from that over to a raw diet from their or something similar to that at least with higher crude protein and supplement in the taurine and other vitamins and minerals. that or do a split diet of raw and dry/wet for the nutrition but the raw for a more enjoyable/natural diet for her.

I dunno what do you all think?
 

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love bulldogs, their front teeth are absolutely comical.
I know, they are adorable - so ugly and funny looking they are beautiful. He growled once at me as he doesn't know table manners and will never do it again. My bouvier flew in the kitchen knocked him over and stood over him LOL. He thought the bulldog was going to bite me I guess.
I think it was a whining grunt more than a growl, they have an excellent temperament. Funny how the dogs teach each other manners. He is submissive guy but a food nut. He has a great home now with a wonderful family.
 
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