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Just wondering what the general rule of thumb is with regards to getting blood work done after stopping trt. I cruised along at 80mg weekly since May of this year. Last injected November 6. How long after stopping will my blood values go back to "normal"? When should I schedule blood work? Thanks
 

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There is no answer for that. They may never rebound to the they were before.
What made you stop? What are you taking as a " pct" to kick start your own production.
If we used the exact dose, schedule and method our results would still be different.
 

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Not particularly a fan of the sides that I seem to be having. Tried it once before with similar results. Was very beneficial for the first three months or so then started going in the opposite direction. 80mg weekly subQ. Tried tweaking the dosage as well as the frequency. Twice weekly seemed to have caused worse sides. Crazy all over skin reactions, weakness, low energy, decreased libido and probably the most concerning is a reoccurring angina type chest pain which I have never had before...My blood work pre trt yielded "low normal" with regards to test, that's why I decided to self prescribe. I really want to be at my normal homeostatic level when i see my doc. If it's low and he thinks i would benefit with prescribed trt then great. I'll jump back on the train under proper supervision. On the other hand, if my bloods come back in the "somewhat normal" range and not low enough for trt I'll live with that and keep training and eating properly with the goal of maintaining/creating an environment conducive to maximum test production...
 

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So were you experiencing negative side effects of low t before or did you start just from what the blood test results said?
 

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I was experiencing the general low t symptoms...decreased energy, libido, some brain fog, lowered sense of well-being. So when the Doc indicated I was in the lower end of normal I thought "a-ha"...that's why I feel this way. I mentioned trt but it wasn't an option as I was in the dreaded normal range and according to him "just getting older"...So I ignorantly jumped on the self prescribed trt train (80mg Test-E weekly) and I have to say it felt amazing...but as stated in my previous post, after three months or so the negatives started outweighing the positives...I have a few buds who are on prescribed trt and they don't require any AI's or anti-estrogen's...so I began thinking that maybe my natural production was fine to begin with and I should just get back to basics (if I didn't totally screw it up).... I've since switched to a much more opened minded, knowledgeable physician. FYI...I am 53, fit, very active...weight train 4-5 times a week...bike (mountain and road) couple times a week...hike..etc...
 

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Just a guess but you probably felt good for a few months because your natural test was not completely shit down. Once it shut down you began feeling bad again. Sometimes we need to go more on how we feel rather than what a piece of paper says, you could benefit from a higher dose. The skin rash may be due to going subq vs im. Have you tried im? My biggest fear would be the chest pain and you're smart for coming off to get that addressed. You sound very active so that will help your cardiovascular system, did you get your lipids checked?
I would look into a pct protocol to get things up and running quickly and get more blood work done. I don't pct so I have no advice other than to do a search, there is good info on it.
Pretty sure @PacMan has posted good protocols for it.
 

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@Old RhynoS has already answered you with solid advice but the message here is no one can answer this. You may never go back to pre test levels. You can help yourself get there but still may never. Chances are you would even if you didn't PCT over 6 months to a year. I know this from experience as I stopped TRT cold turkey when trying to have kids. Docs offered nothing to help and I didn't know about HMG or HCG.
The sides you describe are disconcerting. What lab did you choose and what did you use for TRT?

I would be at my docs explaining my symptoms without mentioning the self prescribed TRT and asking for help determining what is causing it.

good luck.
 

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Yeah if it wasn't for the sides I'd love to continue. I'm using Teragon labs Test-e. Initially it was great, it seemed. Libido up, energy up, mood up, great workouts etc...but like I mentioned above, I started noticing the estro sides, then the lethargy, decreased libido, chest pain - which I believe is not cardiac related - I had all the appropriate tests done and there is no indication of cardiac issues - but still is concerning...as far as the skin issue, I'm thinking maybe my body is reacting to something in the test-e...maybe whatever it is mixed with...or maybe it is hormone related....interestingly I did try test-c (Teragon) and that is when the skin issue flared up very bad...so I switched back to test-e. I did pick up some Nolva...it does help a bit with the estro sides...but makes me feel like crap....I attempted this previously (last year)...was injecting test-e (250mg every 2 weeks)..ran into the same sides so I stopped...after researching, primarily on here, discovered that a more frequent injection schedule would be beneficial so I tried weekly subq injections (80mg)...as last time it seemed to be great...all the benefits as above but the nasty sides started to creep back...tried twice weekly but that seemed to make things worse...so I am stopping...I'm hoping I didn't mess up my thyroid or adrenal system...some of the sides I'm experiencing seem to fit in that category...I'm going to try and get in to see my doc but having last injected a week ago I know my blood values will still be skewed due to the exogenous test...my Doc is aware of my "cycle" last year...but he wasn't very keen on prescribing any off label pct so I stopped cold turkey...seemed to recover somewhat but obviously not 100% as I was eager to jump back on the cruise train last May...
 

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Yeah if it wasn't for the sides I'd love to continue. I'm using Teragon labs Test-e. Initially it was great, it seemed. Libido up, energy up, mood up, great workouts etc...but like I mentioned above, I started noticing the estro sides, then the lethargy, decreased libido, chest pain - which I believe is not cardiac related - I had all the appropriate tests done and there is no indication of cardiac issues - but still is concerning...as far as the skin issue, I'm thinking maybe my body is reacting to something in the test-e...maybe whatever it is mixed with...or maybe it is hormone related....interestingly I did try test-c (Teragon) and that is when the skin issue flared up very bad...so I switched back to test-e. I did pick up some Nolva...it does help a bit with the estro sides...but makes me feel like crap....I attempted this previously (last year)...was injecting test-e (250mg every 2 weeks)..ran into the same sides so I stopped...after researching, primarily on here, discovered that a more frequent injection schedule would be beneficial so I tried weekly subq injections (80mg)...as last time it seemed to be great...all the benefits as above but the nasty sides started to creep back...tried twice weekly but that seemed to make things worse...so I am stopping...I'm hoping I didn't mess up my thyroid or adrenal system...some of the sides I'm experiencing seem to fit in that category...I'm going to try and get in to see my doc but having last injected a week ago I know my blood values will still be skewed due to the exogenous test...my Doc is aware of my "cycle" last year...but he wasn't very keen on prescribing any off label pct so I stopped cold turkey...seemed to recover somewhat but obviously not 100% as I was eager to jump back on the cruise train last May...
@CanadaJim it seems like you have been on a hormonal roller coaster for quite some time, my advice to you would be to find yourself a trt clinic or a doctor that specializes in hrt therapy and get your issues sorted out.

coming off the test I would highly reccomend getting yourself on a pct regimen as the rebound without it is not a fun journey.
 

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Man - sorry to hear you're still dealing with the BS.
But by the sounds of it you have a good doctor now trying to look after you.
Get the tests, listen to his/her advice and things will be good.

TrT is an absolute life changer. When it's right, and you find your sweet spot - life has never been better! =)
 

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Have any of you guys experienced this....I last injected Friday November 6 (90mg test-e)...so for the following days I felt all the negative sides I mentioned above...until today...I feel great! Libido up, strength up, energy up...shouldn’t I be feeling a bit shitty considering I’m at the end of the week and I’m supposed to inject again tomorrow? I’m not going to as I stated earlier I want to see my doc...but it’s puzzling ..when I think of it this has happened quite a bit throughout this journey...anyway...I just want to say that this board is such a valuable resource..I’ve recommended it many times..you guys and gals...have an incredible vault of knowledge...thank you
 

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Have any of you guys experienced this....I last injected Friday November 6 (90mg test-e)...so for the following days I felt all the negative sides I mentioned above...until today...I feel great! Libido up, strength up, energy up...shouldn’t I be feeling a bit shitty considering I’m at the end of the week and I’m supposed to inject again tomorrow? I’m not going to as I stated earlier I want to see my doc...but it’s puzzling ..when I think of it this has happened quite a bit throughout this journey...anyway...I just want to say that this board is such a valuable resource..I’ve recommended it many times..you guys and gals...have an incredible vault of knowledge...thank you

Hard to say - since your dosages and journey has been so up and down.
A guess, without bloodwork numbers to see what's actually going on, will be just that - "a guess".

My guess is that you were injecting just enough to gently suppress your natural test production, but not enough to shut down completely. Also, just enough to trigger some E2 sides, but not enough to overcome them or really get the true "feel good" effects of TrT.
So now that you've taken that last shot - the test spiked, E2 rose in kind, you had some sides, but now both those levels have tapered off and you're now in the exogenous "trough" where the levels from the exo test are too low to affect anything, so your natural production ramped back up...hence higher libido, higher energy and no E2 sides...
I don't know to be honest...that's just my hypothesis.
 
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Well it is a good hypothesis...I’m betting my doc would agree...it’s crazy how everybody reacts so differently...I was talking to a guy yesterday...he self dosed..200mg weekly for three years non stop...no breaks...no estro issues..and three months ago stopped cold turkey...no pct...says he feels no difference...in fact he said he feels better than when he was on it...mind you he is younger ...maybe early thirties...
 

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Having last injected November 6th (90mg test-e). When can I expect the exogenous test not to impact any bloodwork values. I know everyone may be different but is there a general rule of thumb when it comes to how long one should wait before getting blood work?
 

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200mg weekly for three years non stop...no breaks...no estro issues..and three months ago stopped cold turkey...no pct...says he feels no difference.

That's interesting. If you read the insert on pharma test c it indicates long term natural suppression is not found with normal usage when you come off.

MOST women are on the pill or an IUD at some point in their life and they all seem to recover. After a few years I wouldn't mind trying to come off just out of curiosity but NAH! I look better on ;)
 

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Having last injected November 6th (90mg test-e). When can I expect the exogenous test not to impact any bloodwork values. I know everyone may be different but is there a general rule of thumb when it comes to how long one should wait before getting blood work?
Test-e has a similar half-life to C, but should be cleared out of your system with in a week-10 days (mean is 8.5 days to clear, meaning some are faster, some are slower), with some residual effects (raised levels) and certainly metabolites of the test in your system for likely up to 3 weeks (possibly longer)...but should be gone by then.

I found this interesting reference however:
Testosterone enanthate: Literature suggests that the approximate elimination half-life of testosterone enanthate when administered intramuscularly is 4 days. With this information, we can estimate that it’ll take a person an average of 22 days (3.14 weeks) to clear testosterone enanthate from systemic circulation. While testosterone enanthate stays in a person’s system for longer than propionate esters, it is eliminated nearly 2-fold quicker than cypionate formats.

Testosterone cypionate: Reports document that the plasma elimination half-life of testosterone cypionate after intramuscular injection is around 8 days. This means that it’ll take slightly over a week to eliminate 50% of the exogenous testosterone from your system. Knowing this, we can estimate that it’ll take around 44 days (6.29 weeks) to have fully eliminated exogenous testosterone cypionate from your system. Testosterone cypionate is known to stay in a user’s system for a considerably longer duration than enanthate and propionate esters.


But again - everyone is different.
So you never know until you get tested.
 
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Test-e has a similar half-life to C, but should be cleared out of your system with in a week-10 days (mean is 8.5 days to clear, meaning some are faster, some are slower), with some residual effects (raised levels) and certainly metabolites of the test in your system for likely up to 3 weeks (possibly longer)...but should be gone by then.

I found this interesting reference however:
Testosterone enanthate: Literature suggests that the approximate elimination half-life of testosterone enanthate when administered intramuscularly is 4 days. With this information, we can estimate that it’ll take a person an average of 22 days (3.14 weeks) to clear testosterone enanthate from systemic circulation. While testosterone enanthate stays in a person’s system for longer than propionate esters, it is eliminated nearly 2-fold quicker than cypionate formats.

Testosterone cypionate: Reports document that the plasma elimination half-life of testosterone cypionate after intramuscular injection is around 8 days. This means that it’ll take slightly over a week to eliminate 50% of the exogenous testosterone from your system. Knowing this, we can estimate that it’ll take around 44 days (6.29 weeks) to have fully eliminated exogenous testosterone cypionate from your system. Testosterone cypionate is known to stay in a user’s system for a considerably longer duration than enanthate and propionate esters.


But again - everyone is different.
So you never know until you get tested.
Thanks for the info...your info is almost as good as some of the pics you post on another....ahem....informative thread 👍😉
 

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Not particularly a fan of the sides that I seem to be having. Tried it once before with similar results. Was very beneficial for the first three months or so then started going in the opposite direction. 80mg weekly subQ. Tried tweaking the dosage as well as the frequency. Twice weekly seemed to have caused worse sides. Crazy all over skin reactions, weakness, low energy, decreased libido and probably the most concerning is a reoccurring angina type chest pain which I have never had before...My blood work pre trt yielded "low normal" with regards to test, that's why I decided to self prescribe. I really want to be at my normal homeostatic level when i see my doc. If it's low and he thinks i would benefit with prescribed trt then great. I'll jump back on the train under proper supervision. On the other hand, if my bloods come back in the "somewhat normal" range and not low enough for trt I'll live with that and keep training and eating properly with the goal of maintaining/creating an environment conducive to maximum test production...

Sounds like high or low estrogen to me. But eight to twelve to sixteen weeks to get to a baseline. It's all so individual.
 

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Try a different lab or pharma and see if you notice a difference
 
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