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Just a bit of an update....have an app with my doc next week...but the constant chest pain increased the urgency so I took the covid gamble and hit emerg. Got a great Doc. Did a full cardiac workup, ECG, Cardiac enzymes, Chest X-ray, Ultrasound...everything came back well within normal values. My creatinine and urea were somewhat elevated (indicating dehydration) so they hit me with some IV fluids. The doc ordered me a PPI (pantaloc) to inhibit the acid. More or less a case of GERD. Doc referred my for a gastro-scope if needed. It's only been a few days and the chest pain has decreased but I still feel "off". I'll be asking for more thorough bloodwork with regard to test, est, thyroid etc. Would like to get to the bottom of why all of a sudden I have GERD. Anything else I should be asking of my Doc?
 

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Just a bit of an update....have an app with my doc next week...but the constant chest pain increased the urgency so I took the covid gamble and hit emerg. Got a great Doc. Did a full cardiac workup, ECG, Cardiac enzymes, Chest X-ray, Ultrasound...everything came back well within normal values. My creatinine and urea were somewhat elevated (indicating dehydration) so they hit me with some IV fluids. The doc ordered me a PPI (pantaloc) to inhibit the acid. More or less a case of GERD. Doc referred my for a gastro-scope if needed. It's only been a few days and the chest pain has decreased but I still feel "off". I'll be asking for more thorough bloodwork with regard to test, est, thyroid etc. Would like to get to the bottom of why all of a sudden I have GERD. Anything else I should be asking of my Doc?
Is your chest pains that you were experiencing for them to say GErD kinda like from the lower sternum and up to your left side chest area? More like an annoyance if a dull ache?
 

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Stressful times right now. Seems to be a trigger for GERD.
Just saying. I’m not a doctor, obviously- but that would seem to be a likely culprit.
 

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Is your chest pains that you were experiencing for them to say GErD kinda like from the lower sternum and up to your left side chest area? More like an annoyance if a dull ache?
It would be similar to angina pain I guess although I've never experienced angina just from what I've read...Pressure and dull ache in upper middle back and chest, radiating up into neck shoulders and jaw causing my teeth to ache like a bitch...then headache....lasts maybe five minutes...since i started the pantaloc it has decreased quite a bit...so here's hoping
 

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Interesting development... ever hear of dermatographia? Well...fun fact...I can take a retracted ball point pen...write my name on my forearm...or any part of my body...and voila! My name will appear in hive form and stay there for at least 30 minutes...not itchy...not painful...just there. This is new. As much as a fun party trick this could be...it's concerning. Like I've mentioned in a previous post. I do have an appointment next week with my Doc. But when I google this "condition" along with the general weakness and fatigue, low libido, recent GERD etc...hypothyroidism seems to be coming back quite a bit. Has anyone ever experienced hypothyroidism while self dosing TRT level Testosterone-e? This is definitely an avenue I'll be exploring with my Doc.
 

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Seen my Doc. He mentioned me starting Androgel. I told him I have no issue injecting, but he is discouraging that at this time, based on my skin reaction to my previous injections. He ordered blood work (complete hormone panel), should be done this week. Anyone ever use the gel? Is it as effective as injecting?
 

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Yeah I’m not sure you’re in the greatest of hands with teragon.

my guess here is the dose was high enough to suppress but too low to show the benefits. I’ve seen doctors prescribe from 50mg/week up to 500mg/week. The right dosing protocol needs to be assessed via bloodwork even if you’re going to do it yourself. We all metabolize at different rates
 

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Seen my Doc. He mentioned me starting Androgel. I told him I have no issue injecting, but he is discouraging that at this time, based on my skin reaction to my previous injections. He ordered blood work (complete hormone panel), should be done this week. Anyone ever use the gel? Is it as effective as injecting?
I did the gel for a year, it was nice ,but expensive, switched to test e after. The best thing about gel is that apparently it doesn't mess with red blood cell count ,I didn't know that till a few years ago, maybe some other guys can chime in about that!
 

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Interesting development... ever hear of dermatographia? Well...fun fact...I can take a retracted ball point pen...write my name on my forearm...or any part of my body...and voila! My name will appear in hive form and stay there for at least 30 minutes...not itchy...not painful...just there. This is new. As much as a fun party trick this could be...it's concerning. Like I've mentioned in a previous post. I do have an appointment next week with my Doc. But when I google this "condition" along with the general weakness and fatigue, low libido, recent GERD etc...hypothyroidism seems to be coming back quite a bit. Has anyone ever experienced hypothyroidism while self dosing TRT level Testosterone-e? This is definitely an avenue I'll be exploring with my Doc.

I'm glad you're finally seeing a doctor.
But to me it seems like you have a pretty serious case of hypochondria, or at the very least - apophenia.

Not to downplay hormonal issues, or imbalance that very well could be there.
But how the fuck would someone ever think to take a pen and write on your arm to see if you break out in hives or a red rash or whatever.
That screams out loud to me that you've been googling for symptoms and issues.
Anyone that "writes or scratches" their skin will get a red welt that will last for up to 30 minutes, that's NORMAL!
I JUST did it to myself.
(Incidentally this VERY WELL known effect is utilized in the magic trick known as "Stigmata") You can youtube it, by the magician Wayne Houchin.

In patients with dermatographia - lightly touching/scratching causes the issue. The moving of bedsheets across the skin is known to be an issue!!! NOT deeply irritating the skin with a rasping/sharp end of a retracted ball point pen! That's actual physical trauma!
The dermatographia description that I found says the cause is unknown and does not link it with hypothyroidism.
However - hypothyroidism does seem to be linked with constant hives/allergic reactions. (which it doesn't sound like you have)

This information, by the way, I found on the Mayo Clinic...so it's not like I just pulled a wiki-pedia article.

I've said it before. Try to relax. The more you look at/for issues, the more you find...and if you start googling - you'll just end up diagnosing yourself with Cancer, or Bubonic Plague!
You've got a doctor doing bloodwork, and looking at stuff - leave it at that.

You really should stop trying to self-diagnose issues that aren't there.
The body is phenomenally resilient! Even if you did fuck up your hormones - you WILL bounce back; eventually.
Or - you may need medically supervised TrT, or Thyroid treatment...or who knows - maybe you've got a fungal infection like ringworm!
Either way - let the doctor do his job, looking things up online isn't going to get to the bottom of your issues, and asking strangers on the internet won't help either!
 

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Geeez Louise!....lol....well thanks for the advice. You are right with regards to "researching" online. Too much info can be detrimental. But the skin issue is actually dermatographia. My doc is sending me to a dermatologist. He believes that my body reacted negatively to whatever was used in the test i had used from teragon. I know I mentioned the whole ball point pen thing, but something as simple as putting on my jacket leaves marks on my wrists that look like I self harmed...I have pics of my back that look like I've been whipped with a cat of nine tails...but you are right, I am just leaving it all in the hands of my doc. He is very thorough. I really do appreciate your advice and your frankness. Like I've said before, this forum is a valuable source of information. And I'm thankful for the experience and helpful information that is freely shared.
 

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Geeez Louise!....lol....well thanks for the advice. You are right with regards to "researching" online. Too much info can be detrimental. But the skin issue is actually dermatographia. My doc is sending me to a dermatologist. He believes that my body reacted negatively to whatever was used in the test i had used from teragon. I know I mentioned the whole ball point pen thing, but something as simple as putting on my jacket leaves marks on my wrists that look like I self harmed...I have pics of my back that look like I've been whipped with a cat of nine tails...but you are right, I am just leaving it all in the hands of my doc. He is very thorough. I really do appreciate your advice and your frankness. Like I've said before, this forum is a valuable source of information. And I'm thankful for the experience and helpful information that is freely shared.
Cool
Sorry to hear about the dermatographia...although it's not life-threatening.

Teragon you say eh? Yeah, probably a bad reaction to whatever carrier oil was used or chemical they used in their process.

Anyway - glad to hear you're on the other side of it now!

And, yes you're right - I'm nothing if not frank. ;) (Honestly there's no point!) I never want to be rude, or combative...but no point in pulling punches.
 

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I'm getting the itchy skin hives symptoms. I've never been alergic to anything in my life. I'm 3 weeks in sustanon 250 made by eclipse. And I'm getting itchy hives like skin reactions all over my body.

If I itch my back or anywhere I get long red lines that are very noticeable and last about 30 mins.
I started taking 24hour allergy medicine daily to keep symptoms down.

I'm only taking low 250mg dose of Eclipse sustanon a week.
 
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I'm getting the itchy skin hives symptoms. I've never been alergic to anything in my life. I'm 3 weeks in sustanon 250 made by eclipse. And I'm getting itchy hives like skin reactions all over my body.

If I itch my back or anywhere I get long red lines that are very noticeable and last about 30 mins.
I started taking 24hour allergy medicine daily to keep symptoms down.

I'm only taking low 250mg dose of Eclipse sustanon a week.
Do a skin test, it isn't perfect but if you want to scratch an area on your arm with anything sharp and then put some of the sustanon on the scratch and watch/feel the reaction. Like I said it isn't perfect but many allergies will show up on your skin. I'm guessing it is the carrier oil but I'm just guessing. 1. If this didn't go away I would stop the compound and 2. see my doctor to figure out what it is.

Is there any chance it is something other than the sustanon? Have you taken the compound/brand before and what did they say when you asked them about it, to see if others are complaining, before putting it on an open forum?
 

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Not particularly a fan of the sides that I seem to be having. Tried it once before with similar results. Was very beneficial for the first three months or so then started going in the opposite direction. 80mg weekly subQ. Tried tweaking the dosage as well as the frequency. Twice weekly seemed to have caused worse sides. Crazy all over skin reactions, weakness, low energy, decreased libido and probably the most concerning is a reoccurring angina type chest pain which I have never had before...My blood work pre trt yielded "low normal" with regards to test, that's why I decided to self prescribe. I really want to be at my normal homeostatic level when i see my doc. If it's low and he thinks i would benefit with prescribed trt then great. I'll jump back on the train under proper supervision. On the other hand, if my bloods come back in the "somewhat normal" range and not low enough for trt I'll live with that and keep training and eating properly with the goal of maintaining/creating an environment conducive to maximum test production...
What a fucking nightmare bro. How are you doing now man ? Wanna give us an update ?
 

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What a fucking nightmare bro. How are you doing now man ? Wanna give us an update ?
Yeah it's been quite a ride...I went for blood work in December...chest pain issues have subsided immensely with the addition of Pantaloc...skin issues are still sticking around...my doc referred me to a dermatologist so hopefully I'll get some answers there...It definitely had to be a reaction to something in the test-e compound so hopefully the longer I stay away from it (test-e) it'll get better.
When my blood work came back my test read extremely high (53nmol/l) the norm is under 30nmol/l. This was intriguing because I had been off testosterone for nearly two months before getting by blood work done. So i have no idea why it came back so high. I was taking an over the counter test booster product (I know, I know...bogus) and regular multi-vitamins but that's it. He didn't really address why it would be so high and didn't inquire if i was experiencing any accompanying high test symptoms. For some reason he only did a total testosterone check. Not a full hormone panel, so that was a bit frustrating. I definitely don't feel like I have higher than normal testosterone as my libido is still in the basement, and my workouts are "meh". So I really don't know what's up with regards to that. I asked for a thyroid check but he didn't order it. He discussed putting me on trt (prior to the bloodwork) and was going to go with androgel or something similar. But when my levels came back through the roof he shelved that idea. So now I'm stuck in this hormonal purgatory...I'll give it a few more months...see what happens then ask for more bloods...go from there...wouldn't mind trying the androgel. It was never my intent to "blast". I just wanted to top up what I felt were low normal test values. I loved the energy, the libido, the clarity etc...Would buy the androgel myself (self prescribe) but haven't seen it offered on any of the vendors sites that I usually frequent
 

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..Would buy the androgel myself (self prescribe) but haven't seen it offered on any of the vendors sites that I usually frequent
I got prescriped Androgel once and at the time on was on 90% prescription coverage. I can't remember what my payment was, but i was SHOCKED at how expensive that shit is. I believe it's cheaper to just go to a source (*cough* syn *cough) and just get you some Test E and all the trimmings to be honest.

Having said that, I still have 2 old bottles of Androgel in my bathroom, because I fucking HATED that shit. I'm a hairy motherfucker, so imagine putting that shit on a gorilla.
 

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Imo they may never go back to where they were. Maybe close or maybe higher untill the drugs clear. No way to really answer your questions without knowing what ester your using
Hey...I was using Teragon Test-e. I had blood work done December 22, 2020. My total testosterone came back at 53nmol/l (normal is under 30nmol/l). My Doc asked me if I was still using testosterone. I told him that I had last injected November 6th. So I'm not entirely sure what to think. Could have been a faulty test...I dunno...definitely don't feel like my test is that high...
 

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okay, so I re-read your posts. I assumed you were 80mg/week injecting half that twice per week. This plot shows a made up 8 week cycle, but plotted for 12 weeks. You can see the decline in the last 4 weeks (assuming Test E or C). Maybe, just maybe, there was something left in your system that was there to show up, but if your last injection was Nov 6th, I would think it's mostly clear by Dec 22nd. Maybe you recovered your natural production really quickly or something, I don't know.

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okay, so I re-read your posts. I assumed you were 80mg/week injecting half that twice per week. This plot shows a made up 8 week cycle, but plotted for 12 weeks. You can see the decline in the last 4 weeks (assuming Test E or C). Maybe, just maybe, there was something left in your system that was there to show up, but if your last injection was Nov 6th, I would think it's mostly clear by Dec 22nd. Maybe you recovered your natural production really quickly or something, I don't know.

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Excellent graph, thanks!....Could be that I was injecting subQ...maybe that's a factor...anyway, thanks for the info
 

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Excellent graph, thanks!....Could be that I was injecting subQ...maybe that's a factor...anyway, thanks for the info
YES - sub-q has a slower release rate than IM. I think that's DEFINITELY a factor. Steroidplotter doesn't account for sub-q that I know of, you'd need to dig around for info on that, and there might not be much.

EDIT: slower release AND less spiky, which is why sub-q has become popular for people on trt that want to pin less frequently and/or want rock-solid levels.
 
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