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Hey guys.

Been on test for about 8 months now with hcg. Tried a whole bunch of things to feel better but ultimately TRT wasn’t helping me cure my post finasteride syndrome. It was very expensive. Time consuming and was giving me other problems as well. The benefits were not outweighing the negatives so I decided to quit.

I have been off two weeks and haven’t don’t anything PCT wise. Is it recommended that I take hcg and some serms..... or will my body most likely bounce back to normal after a little while. I have up and down days but no different than TRT.

Oh yah. Forgot to mention the reason I wanted to avoid a PCT is because I am honestly tired of drugs. They have just seemed to make my post finasteride syndrome go from bad to worse. So I guess I just decided to stop everything and hope my body can recover over the years to come to an acceptable point where I can have sex, a relationship, and just be normal again.

Thanks for the advice guys.
 
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It will depend on a number of factors. If you are older and was on fir a long time and you have no balls it might take longer. Fear not though because you could always run a pct 6 months ,after if things didn’t bounce back.

I think it’s called dmma(sorry I can’t look in my cupboard because the cat is sleeping in the stool and I don’t want to wake her) but it is supposed to help bring back test levels more naturally.

Keep eating and training and that will help as well, you will need to kinda, force your body to restart. If you are lazy and eat shit well less reason for your body to respond, IMO.

Good luck and with everything related to our bodies, I believe a great outlook is one of the best ways to get your body to fix itself.
 

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Can you elaborate a bit on what sort of issues you ran into with Finasteride, and what kind of dosage you were on?

Also, what were you doing for your TRT? Long term TRT can be a slippery slope, but obviously tremendously beneficial once you get things dialed in. That process, however, can be incredibly painstaking and take a tremendous amount of patience. I understand you're likely put off by the notion of going back on, but there's a lot of members here that could lend some major help with this avenue and would be happy to do so. This board has a really solid member base and you certainly wouldn't be the first one to come around looking for a hand.
 
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I am 30 years old and had no problems before finasteride. Took it for hair loss for one month and it hit me like a sledgehammer. 1mg dose but finasteride has a pretty much flat dose response curve so 1mg to 5mg doesn’t make a huge differencr on DHT levels. Even .2 mg after a week or two has about the same effect as 1mg. It just takes a bit longer to kill all your 5AR2 so it doesn’t reach the systemic suppression of DHT as quick but eventually it kills it all faster than your body can reproduce it. This is what the studies have shown at least.

Within the first week lost all morning erections, sensitivity and libido were down, orgasms were dull and elections were weaker and less spontaneous. semen quality dropped, and mentally I felt just empty. Like no positivite or negative feelings. I was hooking up with two girls at the time and just dropped both of them.

Convinced myself it was all in my head and it would subside so stayed on for 3 more weeks. Then decided this was not worth it at all As what’s the point to having hair if your dick and mind don’t work so I quit.

3 weeks later felt amazing. Woke up with a huge morning wood and everything was back to about 95% normal. For one day. This is what I have learned is the post finasteride syndrome crash. The return of DHT somehow fucks something up in our body and you lose all androgen activity. Most people don’t believe this can even happen but once you experience it....... you know. No one believes us as it happens to less than 1% of individuals but it’s frue.

Since then my life has been a mess. On TRT I honestly felt worse. It did nothing to help my symptoms. And then I started getting the symptoms of TRT on top of my current symptoms. High BP, high hematocrit, huge weight gain (water), it tanked my shbg to below the range, and once I started getting sleep apnea symptoms I decided fuck this. Also I have to pay for it out of pocket which I as costing me about $250 per month. My hair also was completely fucked by it which is HILARIOUS because this whole finasteride journey to save my hair has resulted in me having to shave my head when before I even touched the poison I had a good amount that if I kept short on the sides looked full. A little dusting of TOPPIK made it look like I had no thinning at all.

So TRTs benefits did not outweigh its negatives for me. It helped some areas (mental somewhat) but not others. I honestly gained probably about 20 pounds of watery fatty flab on it. I wasn’t eating really well as PFS has greatly affected my financial income and I was super fatigued on it too. So I wasn’t really working out.

I think I just feel better off it. Mentally I feel ok. Physically I feel not great but since quitting TRT and my body getting back into its own rhythm I’ve noticed more energy so I’m gonna start working out again now that I don’t feel fatigued. (Maybe the shbg so low?). Sexually I’m a mess. Absolutely no sensitivity in my penis. It’s actually really awful. I don’t know if that will return but honestly I’ve just learned to deal with it. I would like a wife and kids but I have come to realization that finasteride has given me a new reality. Sexual improvement isn’t really in my sights right now. I care more about the mental improvements and the physical ones at the moment. Going on 2 years no sex so....... I’m used to it at this point anyways.

That’s pretty much the update there guys.
 
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"Potential loss of erections, the issue continues past use"

Its funny they can claim both

Finasteride (Propecia) has been approved for men with pattern baldness since 1998 with a relatively low side effect profile. Potential side effects include decreased libido and disturbed sexual function, but the majority of research shows that these sexual side effects are reversed when the drug is withdrawn.
 
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Can you even jerk off man or are you completely offline? Women will look past a ton of shit to land the exceedingly rare competent man with his shit in order. Stay strong, and I hope things improve for you!
 

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Ah the finasteride catch 22: keep your hair on cycle so you look good for the ladies but lose erectile functioning so you can’t enjoy the attention :-/
At least you used HCG, I’m not going to argue the merit with anyone here who thinks it’s a waste of money, but for anyone who wants to cycle on/off long term with even the possible notion they’ll eventually stop entirely and return to a steroid free life, HCG use on cycle and pre-PCT is one of the best tools to fight testicular atrophy.
I suggest using SERMS, the logic that you’re completely done with drugs and pills etc is a notion i can empathize with but if you wanna do this right then run Nolvadex, after you’re done the HCG pre-pct porticol (if you blasted with HCG after your last test shots).
Clomid will make things way harder because of the depression and lots of men have done well without it- using Nolvadex with the same sucfess. I would use both just to make sure you tried everything.
 

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You are possibly beyond TRT now, but did you ever consider using an Aromatase Inhibitor while on TRT?
on average people may need a small dose of AI at 80mg of test a week and/or greater.

Most docs just throw you on 100mg and call it a day and that can yield many unwanted sides of "high" E2.
In addition to exogenous test, HCG will raise your T levels, further increasing the amount aromatizing to Estradiol.

I balance out around 60-70mg test a week without AI and notice it immediately when higher. My libido tanks, my erections suffer, my well being & initiative goes to shit, I get irritable, night sweats, insomnia, water retention, high bp, mental fog preventing me from thinking straight and problem solving with engineering work... Hell, even a decline in hand eye coordination, vision and reaction time (could be byproducts of mental fog). etcetcetc.

Did you ever have any bloodwork for Testosterone and Estradiol prior to, during and after TRT?

I can't comment on the chemical mechanisms of Finasteride, but your descriptions sound like a clear case of estrogen imbalance and/or low test (before/after quitting exogenous test). I don't know your case, but in mine, I was low T and low E2 before any AAS or exogenous test.
Typically people go through a testosterone "high" as they feel the effects of raised T, but then once it starts to aromatize, they quickly spiral into the depression and sides.

I am not certain but from what I am getting in quick searches, Finasteride raises estrogen?
 
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I’ve tried it all man. AI, serms, everything. I actually feel AI make me worse. I’m trying to avoid them.

Yah I can still jerk off.... but there’s no point. I don’t enjoy it. My worst symptom is absolutely no sensitivity down there. In a bid to try and figure out the problems I got two penile ultrasounds both from which I got priapism from the drugs. Ended up in emergency to bring it down. Also got a platelet rich plasma injection into my penis from a doc who said it helps improve function and sensitivity. All this has tanked my already low sensitivity from finasteride and then taking too much adex and clomid before taking TRT tanked it the rest of the way and it hasn’t returned.

If I could get sensitivity back then I honestly think I could maintain an erection..... but it’s hard to maintain when it honestly feel unpleasurable?!?!

I was gonna try no fap to see if that helps for a couple months.

I’ve had an MRI done to rule out other shit and they told me it was normal.
 
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Currently I’m just cruising on 5mg test prop daily and 250 hcg MWF. Pareto pharma test prop. Hopefully legit. And legit pharmacy hcg but I am gonna have to go black market once my prescription ends.

I really need some help men. 2 years without sex is just awful..... weight gain and more hair loss hasn’t really helped either lol

Also. The TRT is very off for me. Like up and down. Sometimes I feel good and think it’s working but then other days I feel like death. It has had no effects on my sexual function or physicality. Only mentally really.
 
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Currently I’m just cruising on 5mg test prop daily and 250 hcg MWF. Pareto pharma test prop. Hopefully legit. And legit pharmacy hcg but I am gonna have to go black market once my prescription ends.

I really need some help men. 2 years without sex is just awful..... weight gain and more hair loss hasn’t really helped either lol

Also. The TRT is very off for me. Like up and down. Sometimes I feel good and think it’s working but then other days I feel like death. It has had no effects on my sexual function or physicality. Only mentally really.
Where does 35mg of UGL prop and 750hcg (pharm?)/wk get you on bloodwork for Total Test & Estradiol?
 

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Currently I’m just cruising on 5mg test prop daily and 250 hcg MWF. Pareto pharma test prop. Hopefully legit. And legit pharmacy hcg but I am gonna have to go black market once my prescription ends.

I really need some help men. 2 years without sex is just awful..... weight gain and more hair loss hasn’t really helped either lol

Also. The TRT is very off for me. Like up and down. Sometimes I feel good and think it’s working but then other days I feel like death. It has had no effects on my sexual function or physicality. Only mentally really.
Where did you pull the idea to run 5mg Test Propionate ED? Without seeing your blood work, I have no clue where this puts you (obviously), but it's absolutely no surprise that you're feeling like complete shit at that amount. In my 15+ years of involvement with this realm I've never heard of anyone going about TRT in such a low dosage.

Move to a longer acting ester, drop the HCG, start taking 10mg Cypionate or Enanthate Sub-Q ED. This will loosely mimic what a "natural" body does but we need some lab results after you've been consistent with what you're doing for an extended period of time and can assess from there. I'd be willing to be your E2 is a mess due to the HCG and your testosterone is way, way too low to be even remotely functional.
 

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Yeah Fina can have some nasty sides for some people. Its too bad it affected you so harshly.

I would just come off everything man, your taking Prop now stop that for about 4-5 weeks and dont take anything, then start PCT with HCG, then run Clomid and Aromasin. This should get your natural levels firing again and then Id go in and get blood work done to see where you stand.

There is some really good PCT information out by a guy named Dr Dean St. Mart, on Instagram he is deanstm, he is a specialist in this area and his PCT theories make a lot of sense compared to the usual Power PCT protocol people use. Do some reading by him and soak it up and put together a plan and follow it through and hopefully you can get back to normal.

Good Luck.
 

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5mg/day prop would probably have you at <10nmol/L total test, which is considered low test and eligible for TRT :unsure:

Either do what JonnyO suggested, or do a sensible dose of TRT without the HCG like what BC suggested.

Regardless, you need to be consistent in your dosing and you need some bloodwork to determine anything.
I'll hold my judgement as you may not be available to reply until after work, but you seemed to avoid my question of your bloodwork.
I have a feeling you are doing this all blind and given your dosing protocol mentioned above, it's no wonder an AI would've made you feel like shit.
 

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Hey guys.

Been on test for about 8 months now with hcg. Tried a whole bunch of things to feel better but ultimately TRT wasn’t helping me cure my post finasteride syndrome. It was very expensive. Time consuming and was giving me other problems as well. The benefits were not outweighing the negatives so I decided to quit.

I have been off two weeks and haven’t don’t anything PCT wise. Is it recommended that I take hcg and some serms..... or will my body most likely bounce back to normal after a little while. I have up and down days but no different than TRT.

Oh yah. Forgot to mention the reason I wanted to avoid a PCT is because I am honestly tired of drugs. They have just seemed to make my post finasteride syndrome go from bad to worse. So I guess I just decided to stop everything and hope my body can recover over the years to come to an acceptable point where I can have sex, a relationship, and just be normal again.

Thanks for the advice guys.

Did you get your DHT tested?
 
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