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Dr Juice-- A few Questions

I have read both this story and the slow unveiling of your tantalizing autobiography. Your are blessed with intellect and resilience.



Is the 2 month inactive rule still in effect? (Deleted from forum if inactive for more than two months)

Have you ever considered a CJM convention, BBQ, concert, function or anything of the sort? Interesting concept.

Have you ever read Serge Leclerc's book, Untwisted?

Once your story is completely portrayed on here, would you consider a Q and A thread regarding the content of your incredible story?

Have you assumed a leadership role in the operation of CJM at present?
 

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Dr Juice-- A few Questions
Is the 2 month inactive rule still in effect? (Deleted from forum if inactive for more than two months) -- No, this rule is not enforced here any longer. It seems that a tremendous amount of veterans take a hiatus from CJM but will then often check back in from time-to-time. In some cases these hiatuses last years so deleting their accounts would be counterproductive and a disservice to these veterans.

Have you ever considered a CJM convention, BBQ, concert, function or anything of the sort? Interesting concept. -- I've met many CJM'ers in person over the years, but have never seriously considered a CJM social function. Maybe something to consider in the near future. I could see a BBQ with a dunk tank featured to "dunk" CJM staff would be a popular event, lol.

Have you ever read Serge Leclerc's book, Untwisted? -- No I haven't. But now I'll have to look this suggestion up.

Once your story is completely portrayed on here, would you consider a Q and A thread regarding the content of your incredible story? -- Yes, a Q&A will definitely follow the story up.
 

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That was a great read. Thank you for posting this and thank you for creating this forum. :)
 

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Have you ever considered a CJM convention, BBQ, concert, function or anything of the sort? Interesting concept. -- I've met many CJM'ers in person over the years, but have never seriously considered a CJM social function. Maybe something to consider in the near future. I could see a BBQ with a dunk tank featured to "dunk" CJM staff would be a popular event, lol.

This may have to be done at various locations throughout the country, possibly different charters to be organized lol
 

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-- Re-wrote and re-edited the entire story with better punctuation, flow, and paragraph breaks. Enjoy if you haven't read about CJM's storied past.
 

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The contest were sick insane, and yes, I remember running to my computer right after work and keep refreshing waiting for your questions
 
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Hey Dr J , thanks for all the hard work you put in this forum over the years ! The info I just skimmed through was so interesting ,I can only imagine what other knowledge I might pick up .Thank Dr J
 

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The Long & Illustrious History of CJM
By Dr. Juice, March 27th, 2012




Did you know that what we recognize as Canadian Juice Monsters today wasn't always that way; that it wasn't always known by that name? For those of you that are interested in reading about it, here's the entire story of how CJM came about and some of the site's high points, and low points, in its long history. I hope you enjoy reading about this trip down memory lane . . .

-- The year was 1998/1999 and after spending countless hours of browsing the small number of American steroid forums that existed at the time, I had a growing urge to start one up that was unique to Canadians and that would provide relevant information that related to our own country's demographic. It was quite frustrating because with the information posted on the American forums, there was surprisingly very little one could relate to in terms of steroid brands and what was available to us as a whole, up here in the Great White North. Of course test is test and deca is deca the world over, but in terms of what brands/products we could get our greedy hands on in Canada, compared to that in the US, was very different. Thus, it was out of this scenario that the humble beginnings of what we now know as CJM was born. It would also be very cool to have a place that was uniquely Canadian where muscleheads and lifting enthusiasts could gather and exchange information and general banter.

There were only a small handful of steroid forums that existed in those early years. If I may be so bold as to proclaim CJM as being the very first Canadian one, then decidedly there were no Canadian forums to glean inspiration from. The interwebscape was bleak. Instead, we needed to look south and get inspiration from the few examples of American forums that existed, to emulate. Back in those days forums were very "backroom", meaning they were very plain, obscure and quite well hidden in the dark corners of the fledgling internet. They weren't operating on these big, and easily accessible, forum providers like vBulletin and such of today.

The first thing I had to do to start a Canadian forum was to seek out a service provider and acquire a forum template. Around that same time I was involved with a small group of hackers that would hack into adult pay sites (porn sites) to get free access. Well, the place we would gather and talk in was a small secret forum called 'Tek Mercenaries'. The forum was hosted by an offshore service provider in Asia called 'Asiaco', and the forum template they provided was pretty cool at the time. Once implemented the forum could be altered in any way you like by simple HTML coding. The steroid forums that existed at that time were quite rudimentary and usually had a white background and a simple black or blue font. I really dug the way our forum, Tek Mercenaries, looked (it had a black background, multicolored fonts, and a large cool graphic at the top of the page) and so I wanted something similar for my forum.

I can't exactly remember the first name I chose for the forum but it was kinda lame and plain; It was first called something like the 'Canada Juice Forum' or 'Canadian Steroid Forum', or something along those lines. I experimented with many different colored fonts, such as red and yellow or red and white, but they just never had the effect I was looking for. As for the graphic I chose for the top of the page; it was a huge and ugly Canadian flag that had the effect like it was blowing in the wind . . . lame-o, right?

Everything changed one day when a friend was visiting and suggested going "balls to the walls" and calling it 'Canadian Juice Monsters'. At that moment it was like a lightning bolt struck the ground in front of me as if to give me divine guidance. Instantly I loved the name and set about to work on making changes. The edgy name was exactly what was needed and gave me the necessary inspiration to amp things up.

I've always been a lifelong fan of 'The Hulk' and actually own a copy of every Hulk comic since issue #1. Inherently any image of 'The Hulk' instantly screams intensity, rage, freakish strength, and mindboggling power. I thought what could be better than to combine the love I have for my favorite superhero with that of one of my favorite topics, AAS? Voila, the forum's perfect mascot was chosen. Of course when you choose 'The Hulk' as your mascot you gotta go with green as the dominant color scheme!

The next task at hand was I needed a font color to stand out against the black background. Silver seemed to me to be the logical choice as the secondary font color because it stood out well against the black background and wasn't as stark and hard on the eyes as red, white, or yellow, for example. Visually speaking things were really starting to look pretty good.

I can't recall who it was but one day somebody typed the letters 'CJM' in their post and instantly that acronym struck a chord and soon became a MAJOR factor in the way the site was referred to all over the AAS forum community. It sounds like petty stuff but I can't begin to describe how important that acronym has become in the continued success of our forum. The letters just have a strange way of smoothly rolling off the tongue. In my humble opinion most other AAS site's initials just don't have the same appeal and thus sound rather awkward by comparison.

With all out effort I desperately tried for ages to get the domain address 'cjm.com', but all the time it was already taken by the 'Canadian Justice Ministry' (ironic or what, eh?). Unfortunately for us I was never able to acquire it and had to stick to the long-winded version were all now too familiar with - canadianjuicemonsters.net

One poor judgement I made along the way was to add corny sound effects to the forum's main intro page - This was the page you'd first see before clicking on a link to enter the discussion forums. Foolishly I thought these sound effects would be cool and help to enhance the site. Wrong! When you first logged on to the title page there was a small movie of the Hulk transforming and then "Hulking Up" with the words 'Canadian Juice Monsters' flying at you in 3D style. Sounds kinda cool, right? Wrong again! The foremost problem was that the sound effects were these ghastly screeching noises that were the digital equivalent of running fingernails over a chalkboard. God forbid If you forgot to turn your speakers down. the screechy effects would nearly melt your eardrums. Even worse if you happened to be wearing headphones! The second problem with the intro movie was the sheer repetition of seeing the inane thing every damned time you logged on. Which could be numerous times a day as we all know. It was soon removed to the delight of members. Other failed experiments included a chat room, a food/nutrition guide, and even a clothing store . . . the idea of this is pretty cool but grown men walking around in garish-colored clothing wasn't very appealing and didn't gain traction. However, If done with subtlety and a tasteful design it could still be cool.

We now had hosting, the forum template, and the decided name and color scheme. The next challenge was boosting up the woefully lagging membership. Finding 'CJM' in those days was a real challenge as huge search engines like 'Google' didn't even exist yet! Basically you had to trawl the American AAS forums to locate Canadians and then inform them, one by one, to CJM's existence. Some would politely turn down the offer of jumping forums while others were delighted to find out we had our own turf to hang out on and call our own.

When I say CJM was small in those early years I'm not merely mincing words; you probably could've counted the entire CJM membership on all your hands and feet! In many ways this was pretty cool. Being small in membership created a real comradery during those fledgling years and you really looked forward to getting home, firing up the ol' computer, putting on tunes from Napster, and see who happened to be logged on at any given hour. Conversations were cool because you were now talking and hearing about topics related to AAS usage unique to Canada! From coast to coast you could learn what prices were in different provinces, what was readily available, new information to share, what countries could be sourced, etc. It's hard to describe in relation to what we know now and have access to today but in those days this was very revolutionary and even seemed daring. It was a new frontier and it was a very exciting time to be in the "scene."

You have to remember that before the internet conversations about steroids were relegated to the change rooms at the local gym or read about in rare precious tomes acquired from mail order forms in the back of old bodybuilding magazines. No longer would you have to rely on the word of your town's sole shady steroid dealer that the stuff you were buying from him was legit, you now had a valuable resource to call upon to make wise informed choices with nothing more than an internet connection.

Now, with getting back to the problem of CJM acquiring more members. Growth of the fledgling forum took a lot of effort on the part of the original members. We encouraged all members to spread the word by using such methods as word of mouth (online as well as offline), and spamming American boards to locate Canadians. At one point a member suggested the idea of getting CJM business cards printed so they could be handed out at local gyms and fitness clubs. I thought this to be a pretty cool and unique idea so had some nice glossy black cards, embossed with green lettering and 'The Hulk' logo printed up professionally. I then mailed ten or twenty of these cards to each member that requested them, and in turn, they distributed them. This worked out pretty well it seemed because I used to post a regular poll each month and posed the question, "How did you discover CJM?" Quite a few of the responses were from those aforementioned glossy business cards.

CJM was innovative in other ways too. At one time the site hosted great giveaway contests in which prizes awarded included - gear(AAS packages), digital cameras, Xboxes, and even cash in some instances! These were obviously wildly popular events and members would even rush home to make sure they were at their computer when they took place; the contests occurred in real time and involved answering a series of trivia questions. As far as I know CJM was the first AAS forum to host such giveaways and it really did a lot for spreading the forum's reputation.

Another innovation was what I referred to as the "Lurker Clear-out." These clear-outs occurred at the end of each month and those members who weren't active within the past 60 days were wiped clean from the CJM database. These inactive deadbeat members were given notice and if they didn't participate within the forum they were deleted. This clear-out served two purposes. It cleaned up used space on the CJM database and, most importantly, it weeded out members that just weren't serious or were just there to spam, troll, or pilfer porn. CJM was different in the fact that we didn't care what our membership total was, just so long as the members present were active and the post quality remained high. So many AAS forums out there have ridiculously high membership numbers but you'll find that a very high percentage of that total hasn't been active in a very long-time, years in most cases.

Another thing that should be mentioned, and that I've always despised, is advertising. For years I avoided requests to have advertisers peddle their wares on the site and would politely refuse them. Since the very first day the site opened I vowed never to allow advertising. I found advertising on other sites to be intrusive, annoying, and generally distracting. I must admit the advertising nowadays is nothing compared to the garish java advertisements of yesteryear. However, these sites don't operate for free, and over time I softened to the idea of allowing some advertisements to appear. Although I still dislike it even now, I have to say that the advertising that exists on CJM today is very unobtrusive and tastefully done. I don't mind it in the least. Some AAS forums are just ridiculous though.

CJM really turned the proverbial corner when myself, along with MuSuLPhReAk (a former original member and tech admin) decided to upgrade the forum's status by switching from 'Asiaco' to 'vBulletin'. We were quite broke but managed to get our hands on a pirated version of vBulletin and MuSuLPhReAk made the switch. Thereafter we were pestered with a few software bugs and some problems with hosting which made us decide to get serious, take the plunge, and BUY the latest version of the vBulletin forum. We did this, and at the same time, put the forum up with a reliable host in California. We never looked back. The CJM forum grew exponentially (by Canadian standards) over time and really became the definitive Canadian AAS forum we know and love today.

It hasn't all been rainbows and teddy bears though. Along the way there were some growing pains endured such as nasty flame wars, ugly disputes, and even the odd disgruntled member that vowed to shut the site down as the storied 'Ban Hammer' was leveled upon them. Some of these same members even went so far as to start their own Canadian AAS forums in an effort to steal away the CJM membership base with the hope of taking over the Canadian AAS forum world; most, if not all, of these other AAS forums born out of hate only lasted a short while and soon fell by the wayside. You'd be surprised but there was some real deep felt hatred toward the CJM forum by some. CJM has always been considered more outside of the box, hardcore, edgy, and ultimately different, but I think that's what sets us apart, and in a good way. However, the one thing that these other forums lacked, and of which CJM always possessed, was good quality members with valuable sound knowledge. This has always been CJM's strongest attribute and hallmark. Most other AAS forums were filled with childish, general off-topic discussions that offered little in terms of knowledgeable quality advice and were soon doomed to become ghost towns. They just couldn't match CJM quality-wise.

A major turning point (well for me anyway) in CJM's history occurred early in February of 2006. This was the month and year I was arrested and sent to jail. Upon this event occurring my beloved CJM apparently fell into the hands of sinister forces and was soon run into the ground. CJM as we know it would've ended there but fast forward to February of 2012, and lo and behold, upon my release I find CJM is back in full force and it looks better than ever. Almost exactly the way I left it!

Obviously I cannot comment on what took place between those years through 2006 to 2012 because I had no computer access but it's sure good to see the familiar mean & green. I give high kudos to CJM's current steward, Drago for keeping the CJM spirit alive. It's so very good to know that something I hold near and dear to my heart has been nurtured and well looked after. The CJM brand could have easily fell by the wayside and all but disappear if somebody without the same passion had decided to let it slip away forever.

I literally had chills and goosebumps when I first logged on upon my release and the CJM forum loaded up. Even more so when I started to recognize some familiar names. I haven't spent enough time on here yet to gauge the ebb and flow or nuances of the forum but I have seen some posts that raise concern as to the site's low traffic. It may seem a little slow at times or even a little lacklustre, but in time I'm confident that the forum will grow and surely come to regain, if not surpass, it's former glory (this has now happened as I type this in 2017!)

So now begins an exciting new chapter for CJM. A new generation of members will come to discover the value of this site's knowledge and uncover the gems of wisdom that lie buried deep within its pages. Where will the future take us? What lies ahead down the road we'll travel together? I don't know but one thing's for certain. We persevered, and in the end CJM is still here. Thirteen years and counting! Very few AS forums, or any website for that matter, can proclaim this. Wow!

Sincerely,
~Dr Juice~
Wow good for you dr.juice the way I read that it played out like a movie.. when you got booked I was like ohhhh shittt and then bam big return! Honoured to be part of the CJM much respect !
 
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Hi Dr. Juice,

Thanks for the great, well-written read!

Your writing skills are definitely a factor in the greatness of this forum too, I didn't realize how long the story was until I finished reading it cause it flows so well while reading. The parts about Google not existing and Napster tunes sound like they're right out of a history book. I was a year old at the time you started this forum, feels good to be a part of something with so much history behind it.

As a newer member, the colour scheme attracted me to the site too. Can't agree with you enough on the advertising, with most other forums it's like going to an advertising board where a forum just happens to be there lol. I have a bunch of accounts on them but this is the only one I ever log in to.

Think you'll ever put the sound effects and hulk movie back up? I'm curious about what they were like. Surely they can't be as bad as you described them to be haha
 

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I'm nostalgic ... I remember the old CJM and staff members. I wish we could turn back the clock (without the jail time of course).
 

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Just had a read. Glad we’re still kixkin. Musulphreak that’s a blast from the past

I joined in 2004- I wanna say “mama c and pappa p” if I remeber there handles Took over the forum in those years away. They some how branched off

good to see it work and get back into your hands bro
 
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The Long & Illustrious History of CJM
By Dr. Juice, March 27th, 2012




Did you know that what we recognize as Canadian Juice Monsters today wasn't always that way; that it wasn't always known by that name? For those of you that are interested in reading about it, here's the entire story of how CJM came about and some of the site's high points, and low points, in its long history. I hope you enjoy reading about this trip down memory lane . . .

-- The year was 1998/1999 and after spending countless hours of browsing the small number of American steroid forums that existed at the time, I had a growing urge to start one up that was unique to Canadians and that would provide relevant information that related to our own country's demographic. It was quite frustrating because with the information posted on the American forums, there was surprisingly very little one could relate to in terms of steroid brands and what was available to us as a whole, up here in the Great White North. Of course test is test and deca is deca the world over, but in terms of what brands/products we could get our greedy hands on in Canada, compared to that in the US, was very different. Thus, it was out of this scenario that the humble beginnings of what we now know as CJM was born. It would also be very cool to have a place that was uniquely Canadian where muscleheads and lifting enthusiasts could gather and exchange information and general banter.

There were only a small handful of steroid forums that existed in those early years. If I may be so bold as to proclaim CJM as being the very first Canadian one, then decidedly there were no Canadian forums to glean inspiration from. The interwebscape was bleak. Instead, we needed to look south and get inspiration from the few examples of American forums that existed, to emulate. Back in those days forums were very "backroom", meaning they were very plain, obscure and quite well hidden in the dark corners of the fledgling internet. They weren't operating on these big, and easily accessible, forum providers like vBulletin and such of today.

The first thing I had to do to start a Canadian forum was to seek out a service provider and acquire a forum template. Around that same time I was involved with a small group of hackers that would hack into adult pay sites (porn sites) to get free access. Well, the place we would gather and talk in was a small secret forum called 'Tek Mercenaries'. The forum was hosted by an offshore service provider in Asia called 'Asiaco', and the forum template they provided was pretty cool at the time. Once implemented the forum could be altered in any way you like by simple HTML coding. The steroid forums that existed at that time were quite rudimentary and usually had a white background and a simple black or blue font. I really dug the way our forum, Tek Mercenaries, looked (it had a black background, multicolored fonts, and a large cool graphic at the top of the page) and so I wanted something similar for my forum.

I can't exactly remember the first name I chose for the forum but it was kinda lame and plain; It was first called something like the 'Canada Juice Forum' or 'Canadian Steroid Forum', or something along those lines. I experimented with many different colored fonts, such as red and yellow or red and white, but they just never had the effect I was looking for. As for the graphic I chose for the top of the page; it was a huge and ugly Canadian flag that had the effect like it was blowing in the wind . . . lame-o, right?

Everything changed one day when a friend was visiting and suggested going "balls to the walls" and calling it 'Canadian Juice Monsters'. At that moment it was like a lightning bolt struck the ground in front of me as if to give me divine guidance. Instantly I loved the name and set about to work on making changes. The edgy name was exactly what was needed and gave me the necessary inspiration to amp things up.

I've always been a lifelong fan of 'The Hulk' and actually own a copy of every Hulk comic since issue #1. Inherently any image of 'The Hulk' instantly screams intensity, rage, freakish strength, and mindboggling power. I thought what could be better than to combine the love I have for my favorite superhero with that of one of my favorite topics, AAS? Voila, the forum's perfect mascot was chosen. Of course when you choose 'The Hulk' as your mascot you gotta go with green as the dominant color scheme!

The next task at hand was I needed a font color to stand out against the black background. Silver seemed to me to be the logical choice as the secondary font color because it stood out well against the black background and wasn't as stark and hard on the eyes as red, white, or yellow, for example. Visually speaking things were really starting to look pretty good.

I can't recall who it was but one day somebody typed the letters 'CJM' in their post and instantly that acronym struck a chord and soon became a MAJOR factor in the way the site was referred to all over the AAS forum community. It sounds like petty stuff but I can't begin to describe how important that acronym has become in the continued success of our forum. The letters just have a strange way of smoothly rolling off the tongue. In my humble opinion most other AAS site's initials just don't have the same appeal and thus sound rather awkward by comparison.

With all out effort I desperately tried for ages to get the domain address 'cjm.com', but all the time it was already taken by the 'Canadian Justice Ministry' (ironic or what, eh?). Unfortunately for us I was never able to acquire it and had to stick to the long-winded version were all now too familiar with - canadianjuicemonsters.net

One poor judgement I made along the way was to add corny sound effects to the forum's main intro page - This was the page you'd first see before clicking on a link to enter the discussion forums. Foolishly I thought these sound effects would be cool and help to enhance the site. Wrong! When you first logged on to the title page there was a small movie of the Hulk transforming and then "Hulking Up" with the words 'Canadian Juice Monsters' flying at you in 3D style. Sounds kinda cool, right? Wrong again! The foremost problem was that the sound effects were these ghastly screeching noises that were the digital equivalent of running fingernails over a chalkboard. God forbid If you forgot to turn your speakers down. the screechy effects would nearly melt your eardrums. Even worse if you happened to be wearing headphones! The second problem with the intro movie was the sheer repetition of seeing the inane thing every damned time you logged on. Which could be numerous times a day as we all know. It was soon removed to the delight of members. Other failed experiments included a chat room, a food/nutrition guide, and even a clothing store . . . the idea of this is pretty cool but grown men walking around in garish-colored clothing wasn't very appealing and didn't gain traction. However, If done with subtlety and a tasteful design it could still be cool.

We now had hosting, the forum template, and the decided name and color scheme. The next challenge was boosting up the woefully lagging membership. Finding 'CJM' in those days was a real challenge as huge search engines like 'Google' didn't even exist yet! Basically you had to trawl the American AAS forums to locate Canadians and then inform them, one by one, to CJM's existence. Some would politely turn down the offer of jumping forums while others were delighted to find out we had our own turf to hang out on and call our own.

When I say CJM was small in those early years I'm not merely mincing words; you probably could've counted the entire CJM membership on all your hands and feet! In many ways this was pretty cool. Being small in membership created a real comradery during those fledgling years and you really looked forward to getting home, firing up the ol' computer, putting on tunes from Napster, and see who happened to be logged on at any given hour. Conversations were cool because you were now talking and hearing about topics related to AAS usage unique to Canada! From coast to coast you could learn what prices were in different provinces, what was readily available, new information to share, what countries could be sourced, etc. It's hard to describe in relation to what we know now and have access to today but in those days this was very revolutionary and even seemed daring. It was a new frontier and it was a very exciting time to be in the "scene."

You have to remember that before the internet conversations about steroids were relegated to the change rooms at the local gym or read about in rare precious tomes acquired from mail order forms in the back of old bodybuilding magazines. No longer would you have to rely on the word of your town's sole shady steroid dealer that the stuff you were buying from him was legit, you now had a valuable resource to call upon to make wise informed choices with nothing more than an internet connection.

Now, with getting back to the problem of CJM acquiring more members. Growth of the fledgling forum took a lot of effort on the part of the original members. We encouraged all members to spread the word by using such methods as word of mouth (online as well as offline), and spamming American boards to locate Canadians. At one point a member suggested the idea of getting CJM business cards printed so they could be handed out at local gyms and fitness clubs. I thought this to be a pretty cool and unique idea so had some nice glossy black cards, embossed with green lettering and 'The Hulk' logo printed up professionally. I then mailed ten or twenty of these cards to each member that requested them, and in turn, they distributed them. This worked out pretty well it seemed because I used to post a regular poll each month and posed the question, "How did you discover CJM?" Quite a few of the responses were from those aforementioned glossy business cards.

CJM was innovative in other ways too. At one time the site hosted great giveaway contests in which prizes awarded included - gear(AAS packages), digital cameras, Xboxes, and even cash in some instances! These were obviously wildly popular events and members would even rush home to make sure they were at their computer when they took place; the contests occurred in real time and involved answering a series of trivia questions. As far as I know CJM was the first AAS forum to host such giveaways and it really did a lot for spreading the forum's reputation.

Another innovation was what I referred to as the "Lurker Clear-out." These clear-outs occurred at the end of each month and those members who weren't active within the past 60 days were wiped clean from the CJM database. These inactive deadbeat members were given notice and if they didn't participate within the forum they were deleted. This clear-out served two purposes. It cleaned up used space on the CJM database and, most importantly, it weeded out members that just weren't serious or were just there to spam, troll, or pilfer porn. CJM was different in the fact that we didn't care what our membership total was, just so long as the members present were active and the post quality remained high. So many AAS forums out there have ridiculously high membership numbers but you'll find that a very high percentage of that total hasn't been active in a very long-time, years in most cases.

Another thing that should be mentioned, and that I've always despised, is advertising. For years I avoided requests to have advertisers peddle their wares on the site and would politely refuse them. Since the very first day the site opened I vowed never to allow advertising. I found advertising on other sites to be intrusive, annoying, and generally distracting. I must admit the advertising nowadays is nothing compared to the garish java advertisements of yesteryear. However, these sites don't operate for free, and over time I softened to the idea of allowing some advertisements to appear. Although I still dislike it even now, I have to say that the advertising that exists on CJM today is very unobtrusive and tastefully done. I don't mind it in the least. Some AAS forums are just ridiculous though.

CJM really turned the proverbial corner when myself, along with MuSuLPhReAk (a former original member and tech admin) decided to upgrade the forum's status by switching from 'Asiaco' to 'vBulletin'. We were quite broke but managed to get our hands on a pirated version of vBulletin and MuSuLPhReAk made the switch. Thereafter we were pestered with a few software bugs and some problems with hosting which made us decide to get serious, take the plunge, and BUY the latest version of the vBulletin forum. We did this, and at the same time, put the forum up with a reliable host in California. We never looked back. The CJM forum grew exponentially (by Canadian standards) over time and really became the definitive Canadian AAS forum we know and love today.

It hasn't all been rainbows and teddy bears though. Along the way there were some growing pains endured such as nasty flame wars, ugly disputes, and even the odd disgruntled member that vowed to shut the site down as the storied 'Ban Hammer' was leveled upon them. Some of these same members even went so far as to start their own Canadian AAS forums in an effort to steal away the CJM membership base with the hope of taking over the Canadian AAS forum world; most, if not all, of these other AAS forums born out of hate only lasted a short while and soon fell by the wayside. You'd be surprised but there was some real deep felt hatred toward the CJM forum by some. CJM has always been considered more outside of the box, hardcore, edgy, and ultimately different, but I think that's what sets us apart, and in a good way. However, the one thing that these other forums lacked, and of which CJM always possessed, was good quality members with valuable sound knowledge. This has always been CJM's strongest attribute and hallmark. Most other AAS forums were filled with childish, general off-topic discussions that offered little in terms of knowledgeable quality advice and were soon doomed to become ghost towns. They just couldn't match CJM quality-wise.

A major turning point (well for me anyway) in CJM's history occurred early in February of 2006. This was the month and year I was arrested and sent to jail. Upon this event occurring my beloved CJM apparently fell into the hands of sinister forces and was soon run into the ground. CJM as we know it would've ended there but fast forward to February of 2012, and lo and behold, upon my release I find CJM is back in full force and it looks better than ever. Almost exactly the way I left it!

Obviously I cannot comment on what took place between those years through 2006 to 2012 because I had no computer access but it's sure good to see the familiar mean & green. I give high kudos to CJM's current steward, Drago for keeping the CJM spirit alive. It's so very good to know that something I hold near and dear to my heart has been nurtured and well looked after. The CJM brand could have easily fell by the wayside and all but disappear if somebody without the same passion had decided to let it slip away forever.

I literally had chills and goosebumps when I first logged on upon my release and the CJM forum loaded up. Even more so when I started to recognize some familiar names. I haven't spent enough time on here yet to gauge the ebb and flow or nuances of the forum but I have seen some posts that raise concern as to the site's low traffic. It may seem a little slow at times or even a little lacklustre, but in time I'm confident that the forum will grow and surely come to regain, if not surpass, it's former glory (this has now happened as I type this in 2017!)

So now begins an exciting new chapter for CJM. A new generation of members will come to discover the value of this site's knowledge and uncover the gems of wisdom that lie buried deep within its pages. Where will the future take us? What lies ahead down the road we'll travel together? I don't know but one thing's for certain. We persevered, and in the end CJM is still here. Thirteen years and counting! Very few AS forums, or any website for that matter, can proclaim this. Wow!

Sincerely,
~Dr Juice~
This is awesome -- thank you for taking the time to write it all out. History is so important, and knowing the history of a group or brand builds tremendous affinity. Posts like this are why CJM has long term and loyal members.
 

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The Long & Illustrious History of CJM
By Dr. Juice, March 27th, 2012




Did you know that what we recognize as Canadian Juice Monsters today wasn't always that way; that it wasn't always known by that name? For those of you that are interested in reading about it, here's the entire story of how CJM came about and some of the site's high points, and low points, in its long history. I hope you enjoy reading about this trip down memory lane . . .

-- The year was 1998/1999 and after spending countless hours of browsing the small number of American steroid forums that existed at the time, I had a growing urge to start one up that was unique to Canadians and that would provide relevant information that related to our own country's demographic. It was quite frustrating because with the information posted on the American forums, there was surprisingly very little one could relate to in terms of steroid brands and what was available to us as a whole, up here in the Great White North. Of course test is test and deca is deca the world over, but in terms of what brands/products we could get our greedy hands on in Canada, compared to that in the US, was very different. Thus, it was out of this scenario that the humble beginnings of what we now know as CJM was born. It would also be very cool to have a place that was uniquely Canadian where muscleheads and lifting enthusiasts could gather and exchange information and general banter.

There were only a small handful of steroid forums that existed in those early years. If I may be so bold as to proclaim CJM as being the very first Canadian one, then decidedly there were no Canadian forums to glean inspiration from. The interwebscape was bleak. Instead, we needed to look south and get inspiration from the few examples of American forums that existed, to emulate. Back in those days forums were very "backroom", meaning they were very plain, obscure and quite well hidden in the dark corners of the fledgling internet. They weren't operating on these big, and easily accessible, forum providers like vBulletin and such of today.

The first thing I had to do to start a Canadian forum was to seek out a service provider and acquire a forum template. Around that same time I was involved with a small group of hackers that would hack into adult pay sites (porn sites) to get free access. Well, the place we would gather and talk in was a small secret forum called 'Tek Mercenaries'. The forum was hosted by an offshore service provider in Asia called 'Asiaco', and the forum template they provided was pretty cool at the time. Once implemented the forum could be altered in any way you like by simple HTML coding. The steroid forums that existed at that time were quite rudimentary and usually had a white background and a simple black or blue font. I really dug the way our forum, Tek Mercenaries, looked (it had a black background, multicolored fonts, and a large cool graphic at the top of the page) and so I wanted something similar for my forum.

I can't exactly remember the first name I chose for the forum but it was kinda lame and plain; It was first called something like the 'Canada Juice Forum' or 'Canadian Steroid Forum', or something along those lines. I experimented with many different colored fonts, such as red and yellow or red and white, but they just never had the effect I was looking for. As for the graphic I chose for the top of the page; it was a huge and ugly Canadian flag that had the effect like it was blowing in the wind . . . lame-o, right?

Everything changed one day when a friend was visiting and suggested going "balls to the walls" and calling it 'Canadian Juice Monsters'. At that moment it was like a lightning bolt struck the ground in front of me as if to give me divine guidance. Instantly I loved the name and set about to work on making changes. The edgy name was exactly what was needed and gave me the necessary inspiration to amp things up.

I've always been a lifelong fan of 'The Hulk' and actually own a copy of every Hulk comic since issue #1. Inherently any image of 'The Hulk' instantly screams intensity, rage, freakish strength, and mindboggling power. I thought what could be better than to combine the love I have for my favorite superhero with that of one of my favorite topics, AAS? Voila, the forum's perfect mascot was chosen. Of course when you choose 'The Hulk' as your mascot you gotta go with green as the dominant color scheme!

The next task at hand was I needed a font color to stand out against the black background. Silver seemed to me to be the logical choice as the secondary font color because it stood out well against the black background and wasn't as stark and hard on the eyes as red, white, or yellow, for example. Visually speaking things were really starting to look pretty good.

I can't recall who it was but one day somebody typed the letters 'CJM' in their post and instantly that acronym struck a chord and soon became a MAJOR factor in the way the site was referred to all over the AAS forum community. It sounds like petty stuff but I can't begin to describe how important that acronym has become in the continued success of our forum. The letters just have a strange way of smoothly rolling off the tongue. In my humble opinion most other AAS site's initials just don't have the same appeal and thus sound rather awkward by comparison.

With all out effort I desperately tried for ages to get the domain address 'cjm.com', but all the time it was already taken by the 'Canadian Justice Ministry' (ironic or what, eh?). Unfortunately for us I was never able to acquire it and had to stick to the long-winded version were all now too familiar with - canadianjuicemonsters.net

One poor judgement I made along the way was to add corny sound effects to the forum's main intro page - This was the page you'd first see before clicking on a link to enter the discussion forums. Foolishly I thought these sound effects would be cool and help to enhance the site. Wrong! When you first logged on to the title page there was a small movie of the Hulk transforming and then "Hulking Up" with the words 'Canadian Juice Monsters' flying at you in 3D style. Sounds kinda cool, right? Wrong again! The foremost problem was that the sound effects were these ghastly screeching noises that were the digital equivalent of running fingernails over a chalkboard. God forbid If you forgot to turn your speakers down. the screechy effects would nearly melt your eardrums. Even worse if you happened to be wearing headphones! The second problem with the intro movie was the sheer repetition of seeing the inane thing every damned time you logged on. Which could be numerous times a day as we all know. It was soon removed to the delight of members. Other failed experiments included a chat room, a food/nutrition guide, and even a clothing store . . . the idea of this is pretty cool but grown men walking around in garish-colored clothing wasn't very appealing and didn't gain traction. However, If done with subtlety and a tasteful design it could still be cool.

We now had hosting, the forum template, and the decided name and color scheme. The next challenge was boosting up the woefully lagging membership. Finding 'CJM' in those days was a real challenge as huge search engines like 'Google' didn't even exist yet! Basically you had to trawl the American AAS forums to locate Canadians and then inform them, one by one, to CJM's existence. Some would politely turn down the offer of jumping forums while others were delighted to find out we had our own turf to hang out on and call our own.

When I say CJM was small in those early years I'm not merely mincing words; you probably could've counted the entire CJM membership on all your hands and feet! In many ways this was pretty cool. Being small in membership created a real comradery during those fledgling years and you really looked forward to getting home, firing up the ol' computer, putting on tunes from Napster, and see who happened to be logged on at any given hour. Conversations were cool because you were now talking and hearing about topics related to AAS usage unique to Canada! From coast to coast you could learn what prices were in different provinces, what was readily available, new information to share, what countries could be sourced, etc. It's hard to describe in relation to what we know now and have access to today but in those days this was very revolutionary and even seemed daring. It was a new frontier and it was a very exciting time to be in the "scene."

You have to remember that before the internet conversations about steroids were relegated to the change rooms at the local gym or read about in rare precious tomes acquired from mail order forms in the back of old bodybuilding magazines. No longer would you have to rely on the word of your town's sole shady steroid dealer that the stuff you were buying from him was legit, you now had a valuable resource to call upon to make wise informed choices with nothing more than an internet connection.

Now, with getting back to the problem of CJM acquiring more members. Growth of the fledgling forum took a lot of effort on the part of the original members. We encouraged all members to spread the word by using such methods as word of mouth (online as well as offline), and spamming American boards to locate Canadians. At one point a member suggested the idea of getting CJM business cards printed so they could be handed out at local gyms and fitness clubs. I thought this to be a pretty cool and unique idea so had some nice glossy black cards, embossed with green lettering and 'The Hulk' logo printed up professionally. I then mailed ten or twenty of these cards to each member that requested them, and in turn, they distributed them. This worked out pretty well it seemed because I used to post a regular poll each month and posed the question, "How did you discover CJM?" Quite a few of the responses were from those aforementioned glossy business cards.

CJM was innovative in other ways too. At one time the site hosted great giveaway contests in which prizes awarded included - gear(AAS packages), digital cameras, Xboxes, and even cash in some instances! These were obviously wildly popular events and members would even rush home to make sure they were at their computer when they took place; the contests occurred in real time and involved answering a series of trivia questions. As far as I know CJM was the first AAS forum to host such giveaways and it really did a lot for spreading the forum's reputation.

Another innovation was what I referred to as the "Lurker Clear-out." These clear-outs occurred at the end of each month and those members who weren't active within the past 60 days were wiped clean from the CJM database. These inactive deadbeat members were given notice and if they didn't participate within the forum they were deleted. This clear-out served two purposes. It cleaned up used space on the CJM database and, most importantly, it weeded out members that just weren't serious or were just there to spam, troll, or pilfer porn. CJM was different in the fact that we didn't care what our membership total was, just so long as the members present were active and the post quality remained high. So many AAS forums out there have ridiculously high membership numbers but you'll find that a very high percentage of that total hasn't been active in a very long-time, years in most cases.

Another thing that should be mentioned, and that I've always despised, is advertising. For years I avoided requests to have advertisers peddle their wares on the site and would politely refuse them. Since the very first day the site opened I vowed never to allow advertising. I found advertising on other sites to be intrusive, annoying, and generally distracting. I must admit the advertising nowadays is nothing compared to the garish java advertisements of yesteryear. However, these sites don't operate for free, and over time I softened to the idea of allowing some advertisements to appear. Although I still dislike it even now, I have to say that the advertising that exists on CJM today is very unobtrusive and tastefully done. I don't mind it in the least. Some AAS forums are just ridiculous though.

CJM really turned the proverbial corner when myself, along with MuSuLPhReAk (a former original member and tech admin) decided to upgrade the forum's status by switching from 'Asiaco' to 'vBulletin'. We were quite broke but managed to get our hands on a pirated version of vBulletin and MuSuLPhReAk made the switch. Thereafter we were pestered with a few software bugs and some problems with hosting which made us decide to get serious, take the plunge, and BUY the latest version of the vBulletin forum. We did this, and at the same time, put the forum up with a reliable host in California. We never looked back. The CJM forum grew exponentially (by Canadian standards) over time and really became the definitive Canadian AAS forum we know and love today.

It hasn't all been rainbows and teddy bears though. Along the way there were some growing pains endured such as nasty flame wars, ugly disputes, and even the odd disgruntled member that vowed to shut the site down as the storied 'Ban Hammer' was leveled upon them. Some of these same members even went so far as to start their own Canadian AAS forums in an effort to steal away the CJM membership base with the hope of taking over the Canadian AAS forum world; most, if not all, of these other AAS forums born out of hate only lasted a short while and soon fell by the wayside. You'd be surprised but there was some real deep felt hatred toward the CJM forum by some. CJM has always been considered more outside of the box, hardcore, edgy, and ultimately different, but I think that's what sets us apart, and in a good way. However, the one thing that these other forums lacked, and of which CJM always possessed, was good quality members with valuable sound knowledge. This has always been CJM's strongest attribute and hallmark. Most other AAS forums were filled with childish, general off-topic discussions that offered little in terms of knowledgeable quality advice and were soon doomed to become ghost towns. They just couldn't match CJM quality-wise.

A major turning point (well for me anyway) in CJM's history occurred early in February of 2006. This was the month and year I was arrested and sent to jail. Upon this event occurring my beloved CJM apparently fell into the hands of sinister forces and was soon run into the ground. CJM as we know it would've ended there but fast forward to February of 2012, and lo and behold, upon my release I find CJM is back in full force and it looks better than ever. Almost exactly the way I left it!

Obviously I cannot comment on what took place between those years through 2006 to 2012 because I had no computer access but it's sure good to see the familiar mean & green. I give high kudos to CJM's current steward, Drago for keeping the CJM spirit alive. It's so very good to know that something I hold near and dear to my heart has been nurtured and well looked after. The CJM brand could have easily fell by the wayside and all but disappear if somebody without the same passion had decided to let it slip away forever.

I literally had chills and goosebumps when I first logged on upon my release and the CJM forum loaded up. Even more so when I started to recognize some familiar names. I haven't spent enough time on here yet to gauge the ebb and flow or nuances of the forum but I have seen some posts that raise concern as to the site's low traffic. It may seem a little slow at times or even a little lacklustre, but in time I'm confident that the forum will grow and surely come to regain, if not surpass, it's former glory (this has now happened as I type this in 2017!)

So now begins an exciting new chapter for CJM. A new generation of members will come to discover the value of this site's knowledge and uncover the gems of wisdom that lie buried deep within its pages. Where will the future take us? What lies ahead down the road we'll travel together? I don't know but one thing's for certain. We persevered, and in the end CJM is still here. Thirteen years and counting! Very few AS forums, or any website for that matter, can proclaim this. Wow!

Sincerely,
~Dr Juice~
This is a great story to read and learn that one desire and passion is shared by many thanks for sharing.
 

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Thanks for sharing!
Loved every words of it.
Keep up the good work.
 

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Cool! I didn't realize the forums creator was still here! That makes it even more cool.
 

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This is awesome. I wish I had have found this forum sooner. Great read. Thanks.
 
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