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Hey guys, wondering what your thoughts are on this pct protocol? This is NOT my information by the way, just a pct protocol I've come across when researching.



What You Need:
-1 or 2 bottles of HCGenerate ES
-2 bottles of Cardarine
-1 bottle of Ostarine
-clomid
-nolva
-2 bottles of N2Guard
-*optional aromasin *optional

Breakdown By Week: *this protocol is for long ester steroid cycles*

Weeks 1 and 2

HCGenerate ES - start this immediately after your last injection at 5 caps per day. This product will make you feel great on PCT by boosting your natural test production. It will also plump your nuts back up and increase libido. I recommend purchasing 2 bottles and running this for 8 weeks.

Cardarine (GW-501516) - this is a product that can really be run during your whole cycle. It will increase v02 max which makes your cardio and training easier. You will feel like you can just keep going. It will also help keep fat off while you are building muscle. A huge benefit in PCT is that it will lower cortisol levels. I recommend running it your entire cycle and PCT and then take a few weeks off after that. Take 20mg per day a couple hours before training or cardio.

N2Guard - this is the best liver and organ protector on the market. I recommend using it throughout your entire cycle. It will not only protect liver, heart, kidneys, prostate, and help cholesterol levels but it will also provide you with a ton of vitamins and minerals. Take 7 caps per day when running an oral steroid or in PCT. Take 5 caps per day if running an injectable only cycle. Run 3 caps per day year round when off cycle.

Week 3

HCGenerate ES - continue taking 5 caps per day
Cardarine - continue 20mg per day
N2Guard - continue taking 7 caps per day

Clomid - 50mg per day
Nolva - 40mg per day

Aromasin - 10-12.5mg EOD

Ostarine - 25mg per day all dosed at once. Ostarine will help you hang on to muscle and even continue to make gains while on PCT. It is only minimally suppressive (around 5%). When run the short time it will be in PCT it will not negatively affect recovery.

N2Guard - continue taking 7 caps per day

Week 4

Exact same as Week 3 except:
-nolva dose drops to 20mg per day

Week 5

Exact same as Week 4 except:
-clomid dose drops to 25mg per day
-aromasin dose drops to 5-7.5mg per day

Week 6

Exact same as Week 5 except:
-Ostarine dose drops to 12.5mg per day

Week 7

Exact same as Week 6 except:
-clomid dose drops to 12.5mg per day
-nolva dose drops to 10 mg per day
-stop taking aromasin
-stop taking Ostarine

Week 8

Only run your last week of HCGenerate ES this week

*Wait 3-4 weeks after this is complete and get blood work. This will tell you if you are recovered or where to go from here.
 
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What’s wrong with just Nolva like everyone did back in the day?
HCG on cycle to make your balls not look like raisins
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HCGenerate is the equivalent of a useless herbal test booster
Only good thing in it is 3,4,Divanillyltetrahydrofuran which can reduce SHBGs binding to test and DHT

N2Guard has liver protectants like Nac, milk thistle and taurine and various other micros/minerals that are probably cheaper to get on their own

Carradine is fine to take it’s not a SARM
But ostarine will still bind to AR’s and act as an exogenous androgen substance- much like proviron it’s not a strong exogenous androgen but it’s still “somewhat” suppressive

As for aromasin I’m more for laying off AI’s during PCT and using them for managing estrogen levels properly ON cycle so you don’t have a lot of circulating estrogen after the cycle - but I have heard aromasin can naturally boost endogenous test levels. I forget how and it’s worth reading up on.
 

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What’s wrong with just Nolva like everyone did back in the day?
HCG on cycle to make your balls not look like raisins
🤷‍♂️
Agreed. Maybe add some higher dose HCG before PCT after the final shot of the cycle or add clomid with the nolva but pretty much these 2-3 compounds should be fine
 
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Exactly, tried and tested. NO need to fix this...

- PacMan
Curious Pacman, if someone is running a long ester compound like test e or c. Do you believe in the blast of hcg in the 2 weeks after last pin and before pct? Or doing a hcg blast at the start of pct with clomid and nolva all running at the same time?
 

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HCGenerate is the equivalent of a useless herbal test booster
Only good thing in it is 3,4,Divanillyltetrahydrofuran which can reduce SHBGs binding to test and DHT

N2Guard has liver protectants like Nac, milk thistle and taurine and various other micros/minerals that are probably cheaper to get on their own

Carradine is fine to take it’s not a SARM
But ostarine will still bind to AR’s and act as an exogenous androgen substance- much like proviron it’s not a strong exogenous androgen but it’s still “somewhat” suppressive

As for aromasin I’m more for laying off AI’s during PCT and using them for managing estrogen levels properly ON cycle so you don’t have a lot of circulating estrogen after the cycle - but I have heard aromasin can naturally boost endogenous test levels. I forget how and it’s worth reading up on.
I agree with what @Jdave says - HCGenerate is a waste of money. N2guard has lots of interesting ingredients but some can’t be absorbed orally but they look good so the company throws them in there. Many of the most important , would pick 5-6 of the 20 plus are the ones with low dosages probably due to price. I agree, it is better than nothing but if you want to protect your organs on cycle, which you should, suggest buying one or two tried and tested products and if they don’t work, you can change it up as everyone’s makeup is not the same. Synergy is important but synergy with 30 plus ingredients - hmm, I won’t know which one is working.
Agree with the chaps that said why reinvent the wheel. If something works, why change it.
Just my take on things but each to their own.
 

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The best PCT protocol is time. Everyone wants to recover in a month and that shit aint happening no matter how much nonsense you throw at it
Do you believe in using SERMS/HCG at all or just wait it out and hopefully suppression isn’t permanent?
 
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Do you believe in using SERMS/HCG at all or just wait it out and hopefully suppression isn’t permanent?
Before I was on TRT I use to use a Nolva/Clomid combo. They do make you feel better and bridge that gap until your own production starts. Not fully sold on them actually being the cause of your permanent restart. Thats just my personal broscience though I could be wrong.
 

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The “no experience guy” talkin here.
About a week and a half after my cycle ended I felt like I wanted a hug instead of a bj. Figured my estrogen was disproportions. So I started asin 12.5 eod for 2 weeks. Started my nolva only on schedule. Never had a bad day. I used hcg on cycle and into the week after.
 

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Curious Pacman, if someone is running a long ester compound like test e or c. Do you believe in the blast of hcg in the 2 weeks after last pin and before pct? Or doing a hcg blast at the start of pct with clomid and nolva all running at the same time?
I do my first shot of HCG 4-5 days after last AAS injection. HCG 21 days. Followed by Clomid for 21 days. Which brings us to 6 weeks.

I then take another 4-6 weeks off before going back on...

- PacMan
 

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I do my first shot of HCG 4-5 days after last AAS injection. HCG 21 days. Followed by Clomid for 21 days. Which brings us to 6 weeks.

I then take another 4-6 weeks off before going back on...

- PacMan
to help everyone out, I saw on another thread the dosage you use, would you mind giving step by step with your dosages.? your protocol is pretty much what i do and it works great!
 

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This is the exact PCT Protocol, I have used my entire life with ZERO problems.

HCG 5000iu (1 bottle), every 4 days for 5 bottles
Clomid, 50mg AM / 50mg PM for 21 days

Train the same, eat the same. Nothing else changes...

- PacMan
 
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Hey guys, wondering what your thoughts are on this pct protocol? This is NOT my information by the way, just a pct protocol I've come across when researching.



What You Need:
-1 or 2 bottles of HCGenerate ES
-2 bottles of Cardarine
-1 bottle of Ostarine
-clomid
-nolva
-2 bottles of N2Guard
-*optional aromasin *optional

Breakdown By Week: *this protocol is for long ester steroid cycles*

Weeks 1 and 2

HCGenerate ES - start this immediately after your last injection at 5 caps per day. This product will make you feel great on PCT by boosting your natural test production. It will also plump your nuts back up and increase libido. I recommend purchasing 2 bottles and running this for 8 weeks.

Cardarine (GW-501516) - this is a product that can really be run during your whole cycle. It will increase v02 max which makes your cardio and training easier. You will feel like you can just keep going. It will also help keep fat off while you are building muscle. A huge benefit in PCT is that it will lower cortisol levels. I recommend running it your entire cycle and PCT and then take a few weeks off after that. Take 20mg per day a couple hours before training or cardio.

N2Guard - this is the best liver and organ protector on the market. I recommend using it throughout your entire cycle. It will not only protect liver, heart, kidneys, prostate, and help cholesterol levels but it will also provide you with a ton of vitamins and minerals. Take 7 caps per day when running an oral steroid or in PCT. Take 5 caps per day if running an injectable only cycle. Run 3 caps per day year round when off cycle.

Week 3

HCGenerate ES - continue taking 5 caps per day
Cardarine - continue 20mg per day
N2Guard - continue taking 7 caps per day

Clomid - 50mg per day
Nolva - 40mg per day

Aromasin - 10-12.5mg EOD

Ostarine - 25mg per day all dosed at once. Ostarine will help you hang on to muscle and even continue to make gains while on PCT. It is only minimally suppressive (around 5%). When run the short time it will be in PCT it will not negatively affect recovery.

N2Guard - continue taking 7 caps per day

Week 4

Exact same as Week 3 except:
-nolva dose drops to 20mg per day

Week 5

Exact same as Week 4 except:
-clomid dose drops to 25mg per day
-aromasin dose drops to 5-7.5mg per day

Week 6

Exact same as Week 5 except:
-Ostarine dose drops to 12.5mg per day

Week 7

Exact same as Week 6 except:
-clomid dose drops to 12.5mg per day
-nolva dose drops to 10 mg per day
-stop taking aromasin
-stop taking Ostarine

Week 8

Only run your last week of HCGenerate ES this week

*Wait 3-4 weeks after this is complete and get blood work. This will tell you if you are recovered or where to go from here.

The original post above is not a good PCT protocol

Legitimate PCT
HCG 1000iu EOD for 20 days
Nolva 40mg ED for 45 days
Clomid 50mg ED for 30 days

I've suggestions as high as of HCG of 2000iu EOD for 20 days ans clomid as high as 100mg but I dont believe that high of a dose is needed for the average PCT
 
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