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Who actually wants to pay the carbon tax

Who wants the carbon tax

  • Yes

    Votes: 4 12.9%
  • No

    Votes: 28 90.3%

  • Total voters
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I asked this in the Justin Trudeau thread, but it got so side tracked I thought I’d start it again.
Now I’m not wondering if you would pay it if it actually went to the environment and such, but I want to do a realky crapy informal pole to see if Justin Trudeau’s comment about how 80% of Canadians wanted to pay a carbon tax, quote, unquote.
I personally think it’s bs, but maybe I’m wrong.
 
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Are you sure he actually said that? I know he said the 80% number relating to it but not sure it was about people wanting to pay the tax. That seems loopy even for Justin.
 

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Are you sure he actually said that? I know he said the 80% number relating to it but not sure it was about people wanting to pay the tax. That seems loopy even for Justin.
It was right in the debate.
 

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Governments around the world have a near-perfect track record of annihilating deficits, spending grossly more money than they have, demolishing economic growth and burdening the taxpayer with more and more tax every year, yet there's still a conglomerate of idiots who are certain that they'll get it right *this time* when it comes to stealing your money to change the fucking temperature on a planet that's been here for 4 billion years...

Truly, truly fascinating.
 
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My paychecks get sucked dry. We pay too much as is already. I am against it. There are other ways to save the environment.
 

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Somebody voted yes?

Shit, I gotta shop around for food on sale and question every necessity I buy.
Someone is voluntarily/willing to pay an additional tax for a nonsense money grab?

Salaried engineer here, you hiring? 🙄
 

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Governments are ridiculous.
You CAN NOT tax people to change or legislate people into change.
All you do is tax the working poor and make them poorer. Then the rich get even richer while polluting more and more. (Private jets and fancy 12 cylinder rolls royces pollute far more than the average family mini van! Never mind the carbon footprint of corporations and factories) I think people may be in favour of more tax on the wealthy and corporations or increasing economic incentives for greener tech or cleaning up waste - but who in their right mind wants to pay MORE tax?????!!

I’m ALWAYS looking for ways to decrease my tax burden- not increase it!!!

Honestly I wish any joe-blow could run for PM. If that were the case I would literally demolish all government and change the entire system. Then again- easier said than done!
 

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I'm all for green initiatives when it means cutting emissions, cutting waste and putting regulations on polluting companies. However putting in a tax that is disguised as a green initiative but is just another way to take money from regular people disgusts me. The government spends like drunken sailors and the burden comes down on hardworking people. Trudeau gave Loblaws 15 million dollars for new fucking freezers!
 

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I'm all for green initiatives when it means cutting emissions, cutting waste and putting regulations on polluting companies. However putting in a tax that is disguised as a green initiative but is just another way to take money from regular people disgusts me. The government spends like drunken sailors and the burden comes down on hardworking people. Trudeau gave Loblaws 15 million dollars for new fucking freezers!
My shop needs a new boring bar and lathe - think Trudeau will respond to my email?
 
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I asked this in the Justin Trudeau thread, but it got so side tracked I thought I’d start it again.
Now I’m not wondering if you would pay it if it actually went to the environment and such, but I want to do a realky crapy informal pole to see if Justin Trudeau’s comment about how 80% of Canadians wanted to pay a carbon tax, quote, unquote.
I personally think it’s bs, but maybe I’m wrong.
I don't want to pay it.

These people need to chill the fuck out. The world is being reforested, human population is projected to decline, renewable energy technologies are being developed...things are looking great.

Over the last hundred years we have almost lifted the entire world out of poverty and made an historically intolerable existence quite pleasant. The greenhouse gas over 100 years is a fart in the wind when considering the 4.5 billion year timeline of the earth. Another 100 years and they'll be no reason to emit anything would be my bet.

There's always a Boogie man that can only be beaten by giving liberals all your money. I'm old enough to remember the ozone hysteria lol.

My vote is with the conservatives this year.
 
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Look at the tax we pay now and our healthcare sucks, infrastructure sucks and pretty much everything we pay tax for. The carbon tax will be the biggest waste of tax dollars.
 
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If anyone in any position of power in any government wanted to actually do something green to help the environment, they would ban bottled water, individual plastic packaging, and single use plastic containers. Bring back paper bags, reusable fabric bags, refillable metal and plastic containers, bulk refills on daily use items like soaps and detergents, etc...
 

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Governments are ridiculous.
You CAN NOT tax people to change or legislate people into change.
All you do is tax the working poor and make them poorer. Then the rich get even richer while polluting more and more. (Private jets and fancy 12 cylinder rolls royces pollute far more than the average family mini van! Never mind the carbon footprint of corporations and factories) I think people may be in favour of more tax on the wealthy and corporations or increasing economic incentives for greener tech or cleaning up waste - but who in their right mind wants to pay MORE tax?????!!
Taxing the wealthy will only serve to increase middle and lower class unemployment and hinder technological advancement which will aim to make means of transportation more energy efficient and subsequently be better for the environment as a whole. Where you're coming forth with the notion that taking a few less luxury cars off the road is somehow going to change the environment is incredibly ignorant.

The fact is if you strangle the upper class, the upper class won't spend their hard-earned money on economic growth. You're saying the Government is ridiculous, yet you'd rather entrust them with the wealth's money rather than the wealthy themselves? Think about what you're saying. You have two large entities -- one has done well financially (and is forever breeding innovation) while the other is an absolute train wreck with spending year after year after year. And you want to entrust that train wreck with their money?

Elon Musk employs 45,000+ people. Tax him more and he'll only have means of employing 20,000 people. That means 25,000 will be out of work, and rather than those 25,000 making progress in the technological field you'd rather give it to the Government and maybe hope that in their infinite incompetence that they'll find better means of being environmentally conscious? LOL
 

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-- [Devils advocate] The Carbon Tax, devised by MIT Professor David Gordon Wilson in the 1970's and then co-championed by Dr. Andrew Weaver (Green Party) of today will be a mainstay no matter who comes into political office in my opinion. Why? Because it works and because it's the best system devised thus far.


"The province of British Columbia has adopted such a system with great success, Wilson points out: A recent review by Paul Ekins of University College London and Stewart Elgie of the University of Ottawa concluded that of all carbon-tax approaches tried so far, British Columbia’s system was “the best in the world.”

"While no nation has adopted the exact kind of policy Wilson outlines, he says, the carbon tax enacted in 2008 in British Columbia was recently lauded by The Economist as an exemplary system. Several studies have documented the success of this plan, including the one by Ekins and Elgie, which showed that the policy lowered per-capita gasoline use by more than 17 percent — and with no harm to British Columbia’s economy, which actually fared slightly better than other provinces through the economic downturn. A 2012 study by Nicholas Rivers and Brandon Schaufele of the University of Ottawa showed that the policy cut gasoline usage by almost five times as much as an equivalent increase in the gasoline tax."
 

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Taxing the wealthy will only serve to increase middle and lower class unemployment and hinder technological advancement which will aim to make means of transportation more energy efficient and subsequently be better for the environment as a whole.
-- Excellent point. Government in any country must play a delicate balancing act. Tax the wealthy too much and they simply pack up and leave to greener, and more profitable, pastures -- Taking jobs and taxable income with them.
 
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-- [Devils advocate] The Carbon Tax, devised by MIT Professor David Gordon Wilson in the 1970's and then co-championed by Dr. Andrew Weaver (Green Party) of today will be a mainstay no matter who comes into political office in my opinion. Why? Because it works and because it's the best system devised thus far.


"The province of British Columbia has adopted such a system with great success, Wilson points out: A recent review by Paul Ekins of University College London and Stewart Elgie of the University of Ottawa concluded that of all carbon-tax approaches tried so far, British Columbia’s system was “the best in the world.”

"While no nation has adopted the exact kind of policy Wilson outlines, he says, the carbon tax enacted in 2008 in British Columbia was recently lauded by The Economist as an exemplary system. Several studies have documented the success of this plan, including the one by Ekins and Elgie, which showed that the policy lowered per-capita gasoline use by more than 17 percent — and with no harm to British Columbia’s economy, which actually fared slightly better than other provinces through the economic downturn. A 2012 study by Nicholas Rivers and Brandon Schaufele of the University of Ottawa showed that the policy cut gasoline usage by almost five times as much as an equivalent increase in the gasoline tax."



Carbon tax is a well played out idea as great as interest on money the banks dont actually have
 

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-- Excellent point. Government in any country must play a delicate balancing act. Tax the wealthy too much and they simply pack up and leave to greener, and more profitable, pastures -- Taking jobs and taxable income with them.
Venezuela, for example.
 
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